Samsung Galaxy A52 and A72 | Engadget Podcast Live By Engadget

>>> WHAT'S UP, EVERYBODY? WELCOME BACK TO OOTD LIVE BROADCAST OF THE ENGADGET PODCAST. >> WHAT'S UP, SQUAD? >> AND BEN IS STILL HERE. CHRIS IS OFF. SORRY. I'M INTRODUCING EVERYBODY. BUT HEY, BEN.

>> YES, HELLO. YOU CAN REPLACE ME WITH CHRIS NOW. >> IT'S ALL GOOD. IT'S WHATEVER. IT'S MORE WORK FOR THE VIDEO TEAM.

WE ARE DOING, AS USUAL, THIS IS OUR LIVE RECORDING OF THE SHOW. SO YOU'LL SEE US MAKING THE PODCAST. WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CHAT WITH YOU WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR SEGMENTS, BUT WE WILL HAVE Q&A BITS THROUGHOUT THE SHOW. SO STICK AROUND. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US EVERYBODY.

ANYBODY IN THE CHAT? WE HAVE OUR USUAL CREW WHO I'M SURE ARE HERE. I JUST CANNOT MANAGE THE CHAT AND THE EPISODE AT THE SAME TIME. >> YEAH, WE'VE GOT MARK DELL. MARK DELL IS HERE. >> WHAT'S GOOD, MARK? >> LET'S SEE IF THERE IS ANY -- IS.

MICHAEL SANDERS, HELLO. CHRISTINE OBOTE? I AM SORRY IF I'M PRONOUNCING YOUR NAME WRONG. >> WE HAVE JOSH SECDAVA FROM YESTERDAY. >> YOU GUYS ARE MAKING FANS. THAT'S GREAT.

>> WE'RE BUILDING A COMMUNITY IS HOW I PREFER TO THINK ABOUT IT. >> OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO GET INTO IT AND THIS WILL BE A GADGET-HEAVY EPISODE. SO STAY TUNED, FOLKS, AND STICK AROUND. ARE YOU GUYS GOOD TO GO? >> YES.

>> YEP. >> COOL, COOL. >> SO I'LL TAKE THE INTRO. >> OKAY. YOU GO FIRST.

>> EVERYONE READY? BEN, READY? >> READY. >> OKAY. VIE, I'LL INTRO YOU ONLY WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT SAMSUNG. >> SURE. >> AND ALSO, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE -- SORRY.

WE HAVE TO SHOUT OUT THE INTERVIEWS AT THE END OF THE THICK, RIGHT? >> W THING, RIGHT? >> WE WILL, YEAH. >> HELLO, EVERYONE, AND WELCOME BACK TO THE ENGADGET POP CAD. I'M CHERYLYNN LOW. >> AND I'M DEVINDA HARDWAR. >> SAMSUNG HAD AN AWESOME UNPACKED EVENT THAT'S IN QUOTES.

GOOGLE ANNOUNCING A NEW SMART DISPLAY. INTEL AND AMD HAVE A BUNCH OF CHIP NEWS THAT DEVINDA WORKED HARD TO COVER FOR US. WE'LL BE WORKING FOR THAT IN ADDITION TO OTHER UPDATES ALL AROUND THE WORLD. BUT TECH, AND ALSO TO HELP UNPACK SOME OF SAMSUNG'S NEWS, WE'LL GET TO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. BUT AS ALWAYS, IF YOU'RE ENJOYING THE SHOW, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU TO SUBSCRIBE TO US ON YOUR PODCAST CATCHER OF CHOICE.

LOOET LEAVE US A REVIEW ON IS PEOPLE KNOW WE'RE KIND OF OKAY. AND IF YOU WANT TO INTERACT WITH US LIVE DURING THE RECORDING OF THIS PODCAST, WE'RE ON THE ENGADGET USER CHANNEL EVERY THURSDAY MORNING.10:00 A. M. EASTERN. SO HEAD ON OVER THERE, COME TALK TO US.

IS THAT GOOD FOR AN INTRO? SHOULD I SHOUT OUT THE INTERVIEWS NOW, BEN? >> YEAH. LET'S DO LIKE THAT. WE CAN SAY HEY, STAY TUNED FOR THAT. >> OKAY. SURE.

>>. >> ALSO, AS A BONUS THIS WEEK, WE HAVE SOME SPECIAL INTERVIEWS AT THE END OF THIS EPISODE. SO MAKE SURE YOU LISTEN ALL THE WAY. TO THE POST CREDITS BONUS. MINE, I HAVE AN INTERVIEW WITH ROBERT KIRKMAN KNOWN BEST AS -- FOR HIS WORK ON "THE WALKING DEAD.

" >> CREATING THE WALKING DEAD, RIGHT? >> CREATING "THE WALKING DEAD" THE COMIC SERIES IN ADDITION TO THE SHOW ON AMC. BUT HE IS BACK WITH ANOTHER NATIVE SERIES THAT IS COMING TO AMAZON. IT'S CALLED INVINCIBLE. IT TALKS ABOUT WHAT IT'S LIKE WORKING WITH AMAZON, WHAT IT'S LIKE ADAPTING HIS ANIMATION FOR ANIMATED SERIES. SO DO STAY TUNED AND CHECK IT OUT.

DEV, WHAT HAVE YOU GOT FOR US? >> YEAH. I TALKED WITH FEDAY ALVAREZ. A DIRECTOR I REALLY LIKE. HE'S BEHIND THE NEW TV SERIES CALLED CALLS. AND THIS SHOW, WE WROTE IT UP.

YOU CAN CHECK OUT THE TRAILER. IT'S REALLY AN AUDIO DRAMA WITH LIMITED VISUALS. IT IS A SERIES OF PHONE CALLS AND ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN SEE BITS OF DIALOGUE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, VISUAL IMAGERY. BUT IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE AUDIO EXPERIENCE. SO I TALKED WITH HIM ABOUT WHAT IT WAS LIKE CREATING THIS THING THAT IS KIND OF JUST A PODCAST, BUT YOU'RE WATCHING ON YOUR TV, TOO.

THAT WAS A FUN CHAT. STAY TUNED FOR THAT. >> ALL RIGHT. YEAH, LET'S TALK ABOUT SAMSUNG. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> TALK ABOUT SAMSUNG. >> SAMSUNG. >> ALL RIGHT. GET HYPE. OR NOT.

>> OR NOT. OKAY. OR NOT. >> SORRY. >> OKAY, OKAY.

>> YOU HAVE TO COME IN HARD WITH ALL OF THE GEN ZERS, PLEASE. >> I HAVE A WHOLE QUOTE HERE. >> THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ALL RIGHT.

EVERYONE, SO IF YOU WEREN'T AWARE -- AND I DON'T LIKE THAT. SORRY. LET ME DO IT AGAIN. ALL RIGHT, EVERYONE, SO SAMSUNG HAD ITS THIRD VIRTUAL EVENT THIS YEAR AND IT'S ONLY MARCH. BUT YESTERDAY, WEDNESDAY, THE 13th OF -- 17th OF MARCH, SAMSUNG HAD A AWESOME EVENT.

THE NAME IS THE COMPANY'S, NOT MINE. >> I FEEL LIKE THEY WERE TRYING TO SELL IT TOO HARD BECAUSE IT'S LIKE -- IT'S NOT EVEN THE FLAGSHIP. IT'S LIKE WE'VE GOT SOME PHONES, LET'S CALL IT AWESOME. EVERYTHING IS AWESOME. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY IF YOU START LABELLING SOMETHING WITH A WORD THAT MEANS IT'S REALLY, REALLY GOOD, YOU'RE SETTING YOURSELF UP FOR THIS APPOINTMENT.

>> YEAH. >> BUT IT IS SAMSUNG, SO THE GALAXY AWESOME UNPACKED EVENT WAS TO UNVEIL THE A SERIES OR ITS SLIGHTLY MORE AFFORDABLE LINE OF SMARTPHONES. AND HERE TO BREAK THAT ALL DOWN WITH US IS CHRIS MALASKO ENGADGETS SENIOR EDITOR HAVEY. >> WHAT'S UP, SQUAD? LET'S EAT THIS SHOW INTO THE STRATOSPHERE. ARE YOU OKAY? HAVE YOU HAVING AN ANEURISM? >> I JUST HAD A STROKE.

ALSO, WAS ANY OF THAT CORRECT? >> YOU HAD A CASE OF THE YOUNGS. >> AS DID SAMSUNG, APPARENTLY. >> AS DID SAMSUNG. BASICALLY, FOR THOSE WHO DIDN'T TUNE INTO SAMSUNG'S EVENT OR HAVEN'T CAUGHT UP YET, SAMSUNG'S EVENT WAS CRINGE WORTHY. SAMSUNG WAS LIKE, YEAH, THIS EVENT IS FOR EVERYONE.

THAT IS KIND OF LIKE WHAT THE INVITATION SAID. IT WAS LIKE, OH, GALAXY FOR EVERYONE. BUT APPARENTLY ACCORDING TO SAMSUNG'S DICTIONARY, EVERYONE MEANS PEOPLE UNDER THE AGE OF 21 AND USES LINGO THAT INCLUDES HEAVY REPETITION OF THE WORD SQUAD, AWESOME, BESTIES, ICONIC, CLUTCH. THEY DID NOT SEE YEET. I WILL SAY THEY DID NOT SAY YEET.

V, DID YOU FEEL OLD WATCHING THIS? >> THAT IS A LOADED QUESTION BECAUSE I CONSTANTLY FEEL OLD, ANYWAY. BUT THIS REALLY DID FEEL LIKE ONE OF THE FIRST TIMES WHERE I OFFICIALLY LIKE TRANSITIONED OUT OF, LIKE, THE TARGET MARKET OF A COMPANY, RIGHT? AND I CAN LIVE WITH THAT. I'VE LEARNED A LOT ALONG THE WAY. I THINK YOU'VE RAISED A REALLY INTERESTING POINT. IS FOR THE EQUIVALENT OF AROUND 500 TO 6700 U.

S. DOLLARS, THEY ONLY ANNOUNCED EUROPEAN PRICING. FOR THEM TO FOCUS ON WHAT FEELS, FOR NOW, LIKE A VERY, VERY SMALL SLICE OF THE MARKET, ESPECIALLY A MARKET FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT GENERALLY SEEMS TO GRAVITATE TOWARDS HIGH END PRICES, WHETHER THEY'RE NEW OR NOT, IT ALL JUST FELT A BIT PUZZLING. >> YEAH. I WANT TO JUST GO BACK TO THE BEGINNING OF SAMSUNG'S EVENT WHERE THE FIRST THING I THINK WE WERE TREATED TO IS SOMETHING CALLED THE AWESOME SONG OR THE -- AND IT'S A REMIX OF SAMSUNG'S OVER THE HORIZON RING TONE.

WE HAVE A CLIP PREPARED FOR YOU, DEAR LISTENER, AND VIEWER. THOSE ON THE YOUTUBE STREAM WILL GET TO SEE THE LIVE REACTION TO IT. LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE THAT READY FOR YOU GUYS. BUT THIS SONG IS SOMETHING. >> OKAY.

♪ OFF CAMERA OFF, OFF, OFF, OFF THREE ♪ ♪ AWESOME CAMERA ♪ ♪ AWESOME, AWESOME AWESOME CAMERA ♪ ♪ AWESOME STREET ♪ >> AYE. ♪ AWESOME. AWESOME STREET ♪ ♪ AWESOME CAMERA ♪ ♪ AWESOME ♪ >> I WISH -- THE SONG. >> SO FOR OUR VIEWER, CATCH THE PODCAST LIVE STREAM TODAY ON THURSDAY. YOU'LL SEE THAT WAS A LIVE REACTION OF ME AND CHRIS VELASQUEZ.

WE WERE COMMENTING ON THE KEYNOTE LIVE HERE YESTERDAY. THAT WAS ANY INSTANT REACTION TO THIS RE/MAX. IT SOUNDS A BIT BEAT SABERESQUE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ON THAT NOTE. >> YEAH, SURE, KIND OF.

IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY WHO THE THE MIXER. SO, YEAH. >> THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN OUR FIRST CLUE AS TO WHAT THE RECIPE OF IT WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE. BUT I JUST WAS LIKE, OH, OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN NO.

>> IT SOUNDS KIND OF LIKE IF SOMEBODY WAS TASKED WITH, YOU KNOW, MAKING THAT REMIX AND THEIR TODDLER WALKED IN. IT WAS LIKE, HIT THE KEYBOARD. AWESOME, AWESOME, AWESOME. >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF MUSIC I PLAY FOR MY DAUGHTER. >> I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR HER TRACKS.

BUT BESIDES THE MUSIC -- AND WE'LL GET INTO -- I WANT TO TELL YOU ALL WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE INTRO TO IT WAS WITH THIS EVENT. BUT DID YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ONCE YOU HEARD THIS SONG WHAT THE EVENT WAS GOING TO BE LIKE? >> I MEAN, IT'S ALWAYS A TRICKY SITUATION BECAUSE EVERYONE IS ALWAYS PRETTY AWARE OF WHAT AN EVENT IS GOING TO BE LIKE GOING INTO ONE OF THESE THINGS, BUT THIS WAS COMPLETELY A DIFFERENT STORY. I HAVE TO SAY LIKE I DIDN'T EXPECT SAMSUNG TO LEAN TO HEAVILY INTO THE YOUNG SORT OF VERNACULAR. I DIDN'T EXPECT THEM TO TRY AND RELATE TO PEOPLE UNDER 25 AS STRONGLY AS THEY DID WHICH, AGAIN, IS COOL. WE'RE THROWN AROUND THE WORD CRINGE ALREADY.

BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, AND I REALLY HATE MYSELF FOR SEEMINGLY COMING TO SAMSUNG'S EVENT. IF THEY DIDN'T USE THAT CRINGE/SONG OR IF THEY DIDN'T TRY TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE VIEWERS THE WAY THEY DID THE OTHER DAY, WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THEM. THERE'S NO REASON. >> YEAH, BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT NORMALLY DEVELOPED RCH TIME. THE A SERIES HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.

KIND OF COOL. BUT I SEE WHY THEY'RE DOING THIS. IT MAKES SENSE. TEENAGERS PROBABLY WOULDN'T WANT CH CHEAP PHONES, TOO. IF THEY CAN GET A NICE THREE CAMERA PHONE FOR UNDER $500.

RIGHT? >> AND LET'S PUT IT THIS WAY. SO THIS IS CHARLES SIEA, THE GUY WHO OPENED THE EVENT. THIS IS, I GUESS, SAMSUNG'S POSITIVE AS TO WHY THEY'RE PANDERING TO THIS SEGMENT. CHARLES OPENED SAYING, OH, THE GALAXY SERIES, WE WANT TO PUT THE TECHNOLOGY WE NEED AT EVERY PERSON'S FINGERTIPS. GALAXY A, IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT BECAUSE FANS BELONG TO THE NEXT GENERATION INFLUENCERS.

THIS IS THE GENERATION THAT'S THE POWER OF WE, WE AS IN W-E, NOT W-I-I. WITNESS THE CULTURAL SYNC AND COME TOGETHER FROM AROUND THE WORLD TO STAN ICON'S OWN ISSUES AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. >> DID HE SAY STAN? >> HE SAID STAN ICON. >> I DON'T WANT TO SOUND TOO SHOCKED HERE. THERE WAS A REPORT HERE.

SAMSUNG ANNOUNCED IT. THEY'RE HAVING CHIP SHORTAGES. SO I ALSO WONDER IF THEY'RE STARTING TO SAY, HEY, WE HAVE TO PUSH MORE INTO THE LINES WE ALREADY HAVE RATHER THAN THEY HAVE WAY TOO MANY PHONES WITH TOO MANY PEOPLE SURVIVE. >> THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT. WE KNEW KIND OF GOING INTO THIS THAT THE NOTE WAS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, ANYWAY.

AND IN THE REPORT THAT YOU MENTIONED, WHICH I BELIEVE WAS FIRST PUBLISHED THE NIGHT BEFORE THE EVENT, DJ SAID, HEY, WE WERE PROBABLY LOOKING AT STREAMLINING OUR SMARTPHONES, ANYWAY. BUT BECAUSE THE A-75 AND THE A-52 5-G WERE ALREADY IN THE WORKS, THEY WERE PROBABLY ALREADY ALLOTTED BECAUSE THEY LISTEN TO THE ENGADGET PODCAST. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SAMSUNG HAVING NEW PHONES. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING OVER THE LAST YEAR. SAMSUNG WAS -- THAT'S ALL.

>> YEAH. IT FEELS TO ME LIKE WE HAVE TO RETHINK THE WAY WE EXPECT CERTAIN THINGS OUT OF THE SAMSUNG 1340E7B POPULATION. I'LL GET TO THAT. THE VERY LAST THING I'LL HAVE TO SAY ON SAMSUNG APPEALING TO THE YOUNGS AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE PHONES. BUT I THINK SOME OF THE -- SO THIS USE OF ALL AROUND ALL THROUGHOUT, IT WASN'T JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CAMERA.

IT WAS VERY HEAVY. BUT THERE'S A POINT OF CONTENTION HERE FOR ME. AND I WOULD LOVE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS, V AND DEVINDA, BUT ALSO OUR AUDIENCE. IN ADDITION TO USING WORDS LIKE SQUAD, WHICH BY THE WAY THEY USED AT LEAST FOUR TIMES IF NOT FIVE, SIX TIMES. >> YOU HAD A SQUAT COUNTER.

>> YEAH, WE HAD A SQUAD COUNTER THAT THEY CAME UP WITH LAST MINUTE BECAUSE WE DIDN'T THINK SAMSUNG WAS GOING TO SAY THE WORD SO MANY TIMES. BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO A LIVE COUNTER, ANYWAY. THEY SAID THE CAMERA WAS ICONIC AND YOUR PICTURES WILL BE CLUTCH QUALITY. AND YOU WILL GET CARDS FROM ALL OF YOUR FOLLOWERS. THERE WAS A WHOLE MOVEMENT TO IT.

BUT AT SOME POINT DURING THAT SEGMENT, TOO, THE PERSON WITH ALL THOSE WORDS ABOUT THE CAMERA. >> LISTEN, LISTEN. >>. >> LISTENING. YOU'RE LOGGING WITH A FRIEND.

>> YEAH. WHAT IS V-LOGGING? >> THAT'S NOT EVEN A REAL PERSON. THAT WAS A YOUNGER PERSON IN THE EVENT. >> PEOPLE SAY THAT SOMETIMES, THOUGH. LIKE I'VE HEARD PEOPLE SAY IT.

IT'S NOT LIKE -- >> DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW? >> SO OUR DEAR LISTENER AND VIEWER, LET US KNOW WHAT IS THE ANSWER, THE HARD DEFINITION OF HOW TO PRONOUNCE THAT WORD? IS IT VLOG OR IS IT V-LOG? >> WE KNOW. WE KNOW. WE DON'T EVEN -- >> TELL US IF YOU HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT IT. BUT, ANYWAY, THAT'S THE LAST THING. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE VERY INTOUCH.

>> THIS WHOLE EVENT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE DOING HOW DO YOU DO, FELLOWS MEME WITH THE ENTIRE THING. SO ALSO AS WE'RE DISCUSSING PROBABLY MAKES A LOT OF BUSINESS SENSE FOR THEM, EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT COMMUNICATING PROPERLY TO THE KIDS. >> YEAH. BUT, ANYWAY, THAT WOULD BE THE LAST I COMPLAIN ABOUT THE VERNACULAR FOR AT LEAST A SHOW, ANYWAY. CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THESE NEW PHONES? >> SO, YEAH, SAMSUNG HAS AN INTERESTING LINEUP HERE.

AND BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DEVICES THEMSELVES, I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO STRESS THE FACT THAT THE A SERIES IS A HUGE BUSINESS FOR SAMSUNG. IF YOU LOOK AT AT LEAST ONE RESEARCH FIRM, OMDEA, AT THE END OF LAST YEAR SORT OF WENT THROUGH AND RANKED SMARTPHONE SALES BY SALES VOLUME. LIKE THE A-51 WAS UP THERE, THE GALAXY A-01, THE A-21 IS LIKE THESE ARE HEAVY HITTERS. SO I DO THINK IT'S KIND OF NICE THEY DECIDE LET'S GIVE. THE SMARTPHONE LINE, A PROPER PRESENTATION.

THAT'S MOSTLY BECAUSE THE A-52 AND THE A-72 ARE VERY, VERY SIMILAR DEVICES. THEY HAVE TIME HEAVILY TO SAMSUNG'S APPROACH TO GIVING PEOPLE SOLID CAMERAS AT ALL PRICE POINTS. TO PLAY NICE WITH A SORT OF SUB-G NETWORK, YOU'LL FIND MORE OF AROUND THE WORLD. IT USES A DRAGON 750 G CHIP SET, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT NEWER, ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT FASTER THAN THE PROCESS WHICH YOU WILL FIND IN THE OTHER TWO A SERIES DEVICES ANNOUNCED YESTERDAY. YOU DIDN'T GET A SLIGHTLY FASTER SCREEN, TOO.

ALL OF THESE PHONES HAVE HIGH PLAYS. THE A-52 AND THE A-72 HAVE SCREENS, BUT THE A-G-52 HAS THE FULL MEGA HURTS. SO FOR THE EQUIVALENT OF LIKE $400 TO $600, DEPENDING ON THE EXACT DEVICE, YOU'RE GETTING A REALLY COMPETITIVE SPEC SHEET. >> APPLE HAS NO EXCUSE TO KEEP THOSE SCREENS OUT OF THE iPHONE. >> IT HAS A 90 HERTZ SCREEN TO START WITH.

THE BRANDING REMAINS CONFUSING TO ME. I WOULD THINK OF THE A-72 AS THE HIGH ONE, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE A-52 5G IS THE MORE PREMIUM. IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT IS ONE WAY OF LOOKING AT IT AND THAT'S HOW I'VE LOOKED AT IT. LIKE EVERY COMPANY SORT OF HAS THEIR OWN NAMING SCHEME. SAMSUNG'S HAS BEEN GENERALLY STRAIGHTFORWARD.

BUT 5G HAS THROWN A WRENCH INTO THE MIX BECAUSE A 5G DEVICE, EVEN THOUGH IT SORT OF BELONGS TO A THEORETICALLY LESSER TIER WITHIN THAT MODEL STRUCTURE, JUST BECAUSE A LOT OF DEVELOPING MARKETS DON'T HAVE 5G AND DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT, THESE THINGS WILL GENERALLY BE SOLD IN LIKE YEAH, EUROPE PROBABLY, WE MIGHT GET ONE OF THESE THINGS IN THE U. S. SO IN THOSE MARKETS WHERE THINGS -- WHERE THE SITUATION TENDS TO BE A BIT MORE DEVELOPED, YEAH, IT'S NOT A HUGE SURPRISE TO SEE THEM INVESTING IN A FEW MORE PREMIUM FEATURES. BUT IT DOES KIND OF FEEL A BIT LOP SIDE HERE. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SURPRISED ME WAS THAT THEY NAMED SPACE ZOOM AS ONE OF THE FEATURES ON THIS.

YOU GET, WHAT, 30 TIMES ON THESE DEVICES WITH UP TO THREE TIMES OPTICAL ZOOM, I BELIEVE. AND WITH THE S SERIES, HAVING HAD THAT AS THEIR STAND OUT FEATURE FOR THE LAST, I DON'T KNOW, TWO YEARS NOW, FOR IT TO TRICKLE DOWN, I GUESS THAT QUICKLY TO THE A SERIES IS JUST FASCINATING FOR ME. BECAUSE, LIKE, WOW, THERE'S ALMOST NO REASON FOR MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE ON SOME SORT OF BUDGET TO PAY FOR THAT S SERIES NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE GOING AWAY WE'RE HERE OF THE NOTE SERIES. IT SEEMS LIKE THE S SERIES IS QUICKLY TAKING OVER AS THE PHONE FOR THE SPECS OBSESSED, RIGHT? THE S SERIES MAY SOON TAKE OVER THE NOTE SERIES SPIRITUALLY, ESPECIALLY WITH SUPPORT SPEN SUPPORT IS HERE FOR THE NOTE SERIES AND THE FOLDS MAYBE WILL HAVE THEM. ARE WE SUPPOSED TO THINK OF THE A SERIES AS AN UPCOMING SUCCESSOR TO THE S SERIES? >> I AM SURPRISED THEY DIDN'T JUST CHANGE THE NAME.

LIKE THIS SHOULD BE CALLED THE GALAXY SQUAD, TO BE HONEST. THE GALAXY SQUAD LINEUP. >> NO, NO. >> I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT. >> YEET, YEET, YE THE.

>> WE DID IT. >> THEY HAVE ALL THESE COMPANIES. NOBODY CARES. NOBODY CARES IF YOU -- LIKE IF IT'S GALAXY SQUAD -- >> BUT I THINK WE'RE GETTING AT THE HEART OF THIS. I LIKE CHEAP PHONES.

>> ALL COMPANIES ARE NAVIGATING AWAY. SOLID PERFORMANCE OUT OF THE WAY. CHEAPER, SMALLER GADGET. >> IT FELT LIKE THAT. >> WHAT HE WANTED HAS LESS BATTERY LIFE.

>> WHAT YOU WISH FOR. >> YEAH, THE INDUSTRY IS LIKE STUCK IN THE LIBRARY AT THE END OF THE WORLD WITH THEIR GLASSES BROKE. >> IT'S TOO SMALL. >> THE MID RANGE OR THE MORE AFFORDABLE LINEUP WAS GETTING MORE ATTENTION. AND IT LOOKS LIKE SOON WE MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, GIVING THE THOUSAND DOLLAR PHONES AT THIS POINT.

YOU KNOW, GIVING THEM IF SPACE OF THE NOTE, THE EVEN MORE HIGH-END, I THINK IF WE START THINKING OF THEM AS MORE LUXURY AND MAYBE NORMALIZED, I GUESS, THE OWNERSHIP OF MID RANGE PHONE MAY GIVE THESE COMPANIES A BIT MORE PRESSURE TO BRING THESE BETTER FEATURES DOWN FASTER. >> YEAH. YEAH. >> DO YOU THINK? LIKE DO YOU THINK THAT IS WHERE WE'RE HEADED, LIKE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO START TREATING THE $500 RANGE AS THE MAINSTREAM RANGE? >> I MEAN, LOOK, I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT IS WHERE WE WIND UP. WE'RE ALL FANS OF CHEAP, GOOD PHONES.

AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT MORE PEOPLE SHOULD BE BUYING THEM. BUT THERE'S A LEVEL OF, LIKE, CULTURAL WEIGHT AND CACHE THAT COMES WITH HAVING A PHONE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS IS $1,000. THAT'S NOT SOMETHING SAMSUNG OR APPLE IS GOING TO ABLE TO BEAT OUT OF US. IT'S A NATURE OF CONSUMERISM. WE ALL HAVE TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME STEEPED IN IT.

AND IT'S NOT GREAT. LIKE I DO FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT MOST PEOPLE WOULD BE BETTER OFF BUYING LIKE A $600 PHONE, SAVING THE $400, AND JUST SORT OF LIKE HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER IN THEIR LIVES. BUT THESE COMPANIES HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN SELLING US THE BIGGEST, MOST, YOU KNOW, PROFIT MARGIN LADEN DEVICES POSSIBLE AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT COST $1,000 PLUS. >> IT'S ALL APPLE'S FAULT. APPLE IS A GENIUS AT GETTING AND PUSHING PRICES HIGHER.

THESE PUSH PAST $1,000 AND WE WERE ALL LIKE, THIS IS NOT GREAT. AND SAMSUNG WAS LIKE, OH, $1,000. IT DOESN'T EXIST. >> WHICH IS THE GENERATION, HERE IS THIS 350 ZERO PHONE THAT WE THINK IS GOING TO BE GOOD FOR THE YEETS OR SOMETHING. AND -- I DON'T KNOW EVEN KNOW HOW TO USE THAT WORD.

>> I THINK WE CAN MAKE SOMETHING HAPPEN. >> YOU YEET YOUR VEGETABLES IS WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY. >> I THINK PEOPLE DO YEET THEIR VEGETABLES. >> OH, NO. I HOPE THAT WASN'T OBJECT SCENE.

ANYWAY, I HAVE BEEN USING THE PIXEL PORT A FOR ALMOST A YEAR NOW. IT'S A $350 PHONE. IT DOESN'T HAVE THE FASTEST PROCESSOR, IT DOESN'T HAVE THESE QUAD CAMERA SETUPS, BUT IT'S GOTTEN THE JOB DONE. AGAIN, CAVEAT BEING IT'S BEEN A PANDEMIC YEAR, I'VE NOT BEEN GOING OUT A LOT. SO BATTERY LIFE IS DRAMATICALLY LESS IMPORTANT TO ME.

BUT STILL, IT TURNS OUT I CAN LIVE WITH A $350 PHONE. MAYBE WE ALL CAN. >> MAYBE WE ALL CAN. >> PHILOSOPHICALLY -- >> YEAH. >> SOMETHING TO CHEW ON, Y'ALL.

SOMETHING TO YEET ON. OH, I HATE MYSELF. >> YEET ON THAT. >> OH, YEET ON THAT. LET'S MOVE ON FROM YEET, TOO.

THERE WAS A POINT IN SAMSUNG'S EVENT WHERE THEY USED THE WORD ACCESSIBLE AND JUST BASED ON WHAT I'VE BEEN COVERING FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS OR SO, THAT GOT MY ATTENTION. AND I WAS LIKE, OH, DO THEY HAVE SOME NEW COOL FEATURES? BUT SAMSUNG WAS REFERRING TO ACCESSIBILITY IN TERMS OF PRICE. THESE PHONES, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THEM IS, LIKE, THEY ARE OFFERING A VERY COMPELLING SET OF FEATURES AT A MORE AFFORDABLE THEREFORE MORE ACCESSIBLE PRICE. WHICH I'M INTERESTED IN. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT AND, V, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REALIZE THIS MAYBE AFTER THE FACT, BUT THERE WAS NO ASL INTERPRETER THIS TIME.

WHEREAS THE LAST TWO KEYNOTES THAT SAMSUNG HAD, THEY HAD AN ASL INTERPRETER AND THAT WAS, LIKE, NOTED ON TWITTER, AT LEAST I SAW. BUT THIS TIME AROUND, NONE. >> YEAH, I DID NOTICE THAT. >> DO THEY THINK MAYBE YOUNGER PEOPLE DON'T NEED A SIGN LANGUAGE INTERPRETER? >> I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY A LOT OF WHAT HAPPENED WHY HE YESTERDAY WAS NOT FULLY THOUGHT THROUGH. >> YOU'VE GOT A LICENSE, YEET.

THEY PAID SO MUCH. THEY COULD NOT AFFORD A SIGN LANGUAGE INTERPRETER. >> WHY WAS THIS A BIG, LIKE, LIVE STREAMED EVENT, YOU KNOW? IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GO AFTER THIS MARKET, MAYBE GO AFTER WHERE THEY ARE. SO I GUESS, YEAH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S A BIG THING. IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE NOT THINKING CREATIVELY.

>> TO BE FAIR, A FEW OF THESE CLIPS DID WIND UP OF SAMSUNG'S TIKTOK AFTER THE EVENT. SO MAYBE THEY DESIGNED THIS HAVING SOME SORT OF MORE SOCIAL FORWARD CONTENT TO BE ABLE TO PULL FROM. BUT, YEAH, NO, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. IN GENERAL, IT WAS NOT AMAZING. >> TO REPEAT A WORD THAT I OVERUSE, I WANT TO SHOUT OUT OUR LIVE CHAT VIEWERS OR LIVE CHAT PARTICIPANTS FROM YESTERDAY'S LIVE STREAM WHERE DANIEL AND MARK ARE SOME OF OUR REGULAR VIEWERS ENVISIONED THE PLANNING MEETING THAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED THAT LED TO YESTERDAY'S EVENT.

WHICH IS POTENTIALLY PEOPLE AT SAMSUNG HQ HAD A TAKE YOUR KIDS TO WORK DAY. AND THEY'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THIS PHONE IS COOL VIBES FAN, LET'S VIE-CHECK THIS A SECOND. Y'ALL SHOULD SQUAT IT UP, PHAM. TIGHT. AND THEN THEY WERE JUST LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

WE NEED TO -- WE NEED TO FOLLOW WHAT THE YOUNG PEOPLE SAY. AND THEN I THINK SOMEONE ELSE IN THE CHAT YESTERDAY, QHD I BELIEVE IS HER USER NAME SAID IMAGINE THE POPCORN EATING PARTY RIGHT NOW GOING OVER AT APPLE PARK. WHAT DO YOU THINK APPLE IS GOING TO COME BACK WITH? >> APPLE DOES NOT, LIKE, I BET YOU NOBODY AT APPLE EVEN CARE. IT WAS LIKE THEY SAW ON TWITTER WHILE WE WERE IN THE BATHROOM, OH, SAMSUNG HAS STUFF. THAT'S COOL.

BACK TO, YOU KNOW, OUR AR GLASSES AND OUR APPLE CAR AND ALL THE COOL STUFF THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD. >> AND FOR SOME REASON, THE TARGET AUDIENCE FOR SAMSUNG'S EVENT, THEY JUST DID THAT, ANYWAY. NO MATTER HOW HARD, MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY TARGET THAT. BUT, V, YOU'RE OUR APPLE PERSON, AT LEAST ON THE MOBILE BEAT. WHAT DO YOU THINK APPLE, LIKE, FEELS ABOUT THIS OR IS LIKE, ANYWAY? >> AT LEAST GOING OFF THE CONVERSATIONS I TEND TO HAVE WITH THEM ABOUT THE STUFF, THE OFFICIAL PARTY LINE WOULD BE SOMETHING LIKE, WE DON'T GIVE A -- AND I'M SURE THAT IS TRUE.

BUT APPLE IS, IN FAIRNESS, ONE OF THOSE COMPANIES WHO JUST SEE SEEMINGLY THROWING THEIR WEIGHT AROUND FOR NO REASON. MAYBE IF THEY KNEW AN ACT WAS HAPPENING AND NO ONE AT APPLE WAS PAYING ATTENTION, THERE HAVE BEEN INSTANTS IN THE PAST WHERE NOT TOO LONG AGO THEY SCHEDULED THEIR EVENT FOR THE SAME DAY AS A ONE PLUS EVENT. I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT, LIKE, NO ONE LOOKED UP ANYTHING ABOUT THAT DAY. AND THE OBVIOUS CONCLUSION IS THEY JUST DECIDED, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? SCREW THOSE GUYS. LET'S JUST DO IT.

LET'S DO OUR THING. SO THERE IS -- I DO BELIEVE THAT APPLE SORT OF LOOKS AT THE INDUSTRY AND GETS A FEEL FOR WHERE IT'S GOING, BUT IT DOES SOMETIMES TREAT EVERYONE ELSE WITH TOTAL CONTEMPT. >> SPEAKING OF ONE PLUS, THEY HAVE AN EVENT COMING UP AND WE'RE EXPECTING ANOTHER PHONE FROM THEM. BUT TO BE CLEAR, ONE PLUS MADE IT SMART FOR DOING EXACTLY WHAT SAMSUNG IS TRYING TO DO NOW, WHICH IS SQUEEZE A LOT OF GOOD FEATURES FOR A FRACTION OF FLAGSHIP PRICES. DO YOU THINK -- I KNOW THEY'VE UPTRENDED A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF PRICE LATELY, BUT DO WE THINK ONE PLUS'S NEXT PHONE IS GOING TO BE BETTER THAN THE A-50 OR 72 AND CAN WE MAYBE -- SHOULD WE BE HOLDING OUT FOR A ONE PLUS INSTEAD OF BUYING AN A SOMETHING? >> IT'S TOUGH TO SAY.

YEAH, SO GOING INTO THIS EVENT, I'M FAIRLEY SURE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE TWO SORT OF HIGH END DEVICES. SO SOMETHING LIKE THE ONE PLUS 9 PRO A AND THE SLIGHTLY DOWN MARKET 1 PLUS 9. AND MIGHT BE SOME OVERLAP, THE SORT OF DIALED DOWN VERSION OF THAT TRUE FLAGSHIP DEVICE THAT NOW CARRIES THE FLAGSHIP PRICE. THERE MIGHT BE SOME OVERLAP BETWEEN THAT AND SOMETHING LIKE THE A-72. BUT I EXPECT THAT TO BE PRETTY MINIMAL.

IT'S KIND OF WHERE ONE PLUS IS REALLY GUNNING FOR THE KIND OF MARKET THAT THE A SERIES HAS BEEN GOING AFTER. SO, NO, IF YOU'RE LIKE LOOKING FOR A CHEAP PHONE, YOU PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO WAIT FOR ONE PLUS TO ANNOUNCE WHATEVER IT HAS TO TO GET A FEEL FOR WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, YES, ALSO, EVERYONE SHOULD WAIT AND BUY A PHONE AS LATE AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF DEALS, BAUPS OF LAUNCH WINDOWS AFFECTING OTHER COMPANIES AND THEM INTRODUCING DEALS LIKE IT'S A WEIRD INTERCONNECTED ECONOMIC ECOSYSTEM THAT WE'RE SORT OF WATCHING UNFOLD EVERY TIME SOMETHING COMES OUT. SO THE BEST ADVICE, AS ALWAYS, IS TO JUST HANG IN THERE FOR AS LONG AS YOU CAN. >> JUST HANG IN THERE UNTIL YOU REALLY NEED IT, YOU KNOW? DON'T DO AN UPGRADE JUST BECAUSE YOU FEEL LIKE IT.

>> DON'T BE LIKE ME AND BUY AN AFFORDABLE PHONE JUST BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT INTO IT HYPE ONE DAY. IT'S FINE, I DON'T REGRET IT, BUT -- >> THE OTHER THING, THOUGH, SAMSUNG'S CAMERAS ARE GOOD, TYPICALLY GOOD. ONE PLUS'S CAMERAS ARE NOT. KIND OF A SIMPLE THING. YEAH? >> WELL, THAT COULD CHANGE.

AND YOU RAISE A GREAT POINT. >> WE'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR YEARS. THAT COULD CHANGE. >> WELL, AROUND, THOUGH, IS DIFFERENT. V, DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN? >> SURE.

SO A MONTH -- MILLION DOLLARS OVER THE NEXT THREE YEARS TO IMPROVE ITS CAMERA TECHNOLOGY. AND PART OF THAT PUSH IS A PARTNERSHIP WITH HASEBLAD. THE FAMED -- I BELIEVE THEY'RE SWEDISH. THEY'RE SOME SORT OF NORDIC CLASSIC CAMERAMAKERS. THEY MADE THE CAMERAS THAT WENT WITH BUZZ ALDRIN AND NEIL ARMSTRONG TO THE MOON, FIRST SORT OF REALLY STORIED BRAND.

AND IT SOUNDS GREAT. HASSELBLAD IS VERY MUCH LIKE AN END. IT'S ONE OF THOSE NAMES THAT GIVES YOU INSTANT CREDIBILITY. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT SORT OF THE MESSAGING THAT THEY RELEASED AROUND THE TIME OF THAT ANNOUNCEMENT, IT VERY MUCH SOUNDED LIKE THE FOCUS, AT LEAST FOR THESE DEVICES, IT'S LIKE, HEY, COOL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BETTER, MORE ACCURATE COLOR SCIENCE. YOUR COLORS LOOK MORE NATURAL.

WHICH IS GREAT. BUT ALSO MAYBE NOT THE MOST EXCITING THING IN THE WORLD. LIKE EVERY COMPANY HAS THEIR OWN APPROACH FOR THEIR SMARTPHONE PHOTOS. SAMSUNG HAS -- I HAVE TO SAY, THEY WERE REALLY -- THE SAMSUNG LOOK IS A THING, BUT WITH THE S-21 ULTRA, THAT THING TOOK AMAZING PHOTOS. SO IF THAT'S THE BAR WE'RE NOW KIND OF LOOKING AT ON THE ANDROID SIDE, I HONESTLY WONDER IF ANY KIND OF PARTNERSHIP LIKE THIS IS GOING TO DO ONE PLUS ANY GOOD.

IT IS WORTH NOTE ING, HASSELBLAD HAS AGREEMENTS AND THEY MADE THAT WHACK -- MOTO MOD WHERE THEY REPLACED THE CAMERA WITH ANOTHER CAM WHERE A WITH THE SAME RESOLUTION. BUT, OF COURSE, LITERALLY NO ONE BOUGHT THE THING. >> WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT ONCE PLUS DOES. COME BACK ON THE 23rd I BELIEVE AT 9:40 A. M.

EASTERN WHERE V AND I WILL ONCE AGAIN BE WATCHING IT LIVE WITH YOU. BRING YOUR POPCORN, BRING YOUR YEETS AND YOUR SQUAD. >> BRING THE SQUAD. >> ARE THERE ANY FINAL THOUGHTS ON SAMSUNG BEFORE WE MROF ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC? DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS TO SHARE WITH OUR AUDIENCE ON THE A-52 AND A-72? >> I THINK WE'VE NICELY TIED EVERYTHING UP. I DO WANT TO SAY, THOUGH, I AM REALLY, REALLY CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THIS NEW SORT OF SERIES OF MID RANGE FOLKS JUST COMPARES.

AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, SOME OF THE A-SERIES DEVICES SAMSUNG RELEASED WERE IF BIGGEST SELLERS. BUT, YOU KNOW, WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON WITH INCREASED PRESSURE FROM ALL THE COMPANIES AND WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF SLOWDOWNS BECAUSE OF CHIP SHORTAGES, SAMSUNG IS NOT IN A STRONG POSITION AS IT COULD. WHICH IS WILD BECAUSE SAMSUNG WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC LAST YEAR. SO I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO JUST SITTING BACK WITH GREAT INTEREST AND WE'LL REPORT BACK WITH ANYTHING ELSE WE FIND. >> WE'RE GOING TO TALK NOW ABOUT ANOTHER PIECE OF HARDWARE THAT WAS INTRODUCEDEL THIS WEEK.

THIS IS GOOGLE'S NEST HUB SECOND GENERATION. IT'S THE SMARTEST WAY, YOU KNOW, PAR FOR THE COURSE, EXCEPT IT CAN TRACK YOUR SLEEP. BY USING -- BY USING RADAR YOU. SO THE IDEA, IS YOU SET UP THIS SOMEWHERE NEAR YOUR BED. AND YOU LAY IN THE MIDDLE OF WHERE YOU WOULD USUALLY SLEEP.

ROLL AROUND IN THE MIDDLE OF WHERE YOU ROLL AROUND. SO THE BED, TO SEE IF YOU'RE ASLEEP OR NOT, AND TRACK IT AND DO THINGS TRACKER WOULD DO. HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN ASLEEP? HOW RESTLESS? IT HAS OTHER SENSORS ON BOARD, LIKE A THIRD MICROPHONE. TEMPERATURE SENSOR, AMBIENT LIGHT SENSOR, IT USES ALL THESE THINGS TO DETECT DID YOU COUGH, DID YOU SNORE, AND TELL YOU THE NEXT DAY, HEY, YOU WERE RESTLESS THESE TIEMPMES AND THIS WAS THE TEMPERATURE AND SOUNDS IN THE ENVIRONMENT. YEAH, IT USES THE SOLELY RADAR CHIP THAT SHOWED UP IN THE PIXEL 4.

IT'S IN THE NEWEST NEST THERMOSTAT. SO IT'S NOT A CAMERA. IT'S NOT LIKE WATCHING, WATCHING YOU SLEEP. SO FOR THOSE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY IN THE BEDROOM, THERE'S NOT A CAMERA HERE. >> THIS DOES NOT LOOK GREAT, TO BE HONEST.

IT'S LIKE THIS THING BUZZING RAYS OUT OF YOUR NIGHT STAND AND STARING AT YOU. THIS IS NOT THE CAMERA, BUT IT DOES APPEAR TO BE CREEPY AS HELL. WHERE CAN THEY TAKE THIS? I WOULD IMAGINE YOUR BEDROOM ACTIVITIES, GOOGLE IS GOING TO START GIVING YOU RATINGS AND JUDGMENTS ON THAT, TOO, LIKE STAY OUT OF MY BEDROOM, GOOGLE, PLEASE. >> THAT WAS MY FIRST QUESTION FOR THIS, RIGHT? AND THAT WAS A FUN CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH GOOGLE, BY THE WAY. WHERE I COULD NOT SAY THE WORD SEX OR -- >> I MEAN, YOU COULD.

>> I COULD. I COULD. BUT I WAS TRYING TO BE PROFESSIONAL, Y'ALL, AND I WAS TRYING TO BE LIKE, HOW ABOUT OTHER ACTIVITIES IN THE BED? OTHER MOVEMENTS IN THE BED. LIKE JUMPING ABOUT, SOME PEOPLE WRESTLE IN THEIR BED, YOU KNOW? BUT, YEAH, SO BASICALLY, WHAT THE SENSOR OR THE SMART DISPLAY IS GETTING IS WHAT LOOKS LIKE A -- IT'S A SPECTROGRAPH AND IT LOOKS MORE LIKE AN ECG THAT'S VERY ACTIVE OR SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT ANY BETTER THAN THAT.

SO IT'S NOT SEEING IMAGES. WHAT THE ALGORITHM DOES IS WHEN IT'S SEEN LOOKING AT THIS SPEC TOE GRAPH, IT EXPECTS THE ALGORITHM TO BE LIKE THIS PATTERN OF ACTIVITY IS FLIPPING AROUND AND TOSSING AND TURNING IN BED, WHEREAS THIS ACTIVITY THAT LOOKS A LITTLE MORE RIGOROUS COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE. AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO IGNORE THAT. >> ARE THEY? >> WELL, THAT'S WHAT THE ALGORITHM IS SUPPOSED TO DO. WE CAN GET INTO WHETHER OR NOT WE TRUST GOOGLE, BUT THE OTHER THING -- SPEAKING ABOUT TRUST, BY THE WAY, SO THIS INFORMATION WHERE IT'S INTERPRETED INTO SLEEP DATA, THAT IS PROCESSED ON DEVICE.

IT DOESN'T GET SENT ANYWHERE FOR PROCESSING. IT'S ONLY AFTER YOUR DATA HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED AS SLEEP, RESTLESSNESS, COUGHING, ETCETERA, AND THAT'S WHAT'S FINALLY BEEN PARSED OR PASSED ON TO GOOGLE FIT, THE APP WITH WHICH YOU CAN LOOK AT YOUR DATA ON YOUR SMARTPHONES. >> BUT THAT STILL GOES TO A CLOUD BEFORE IT GETS TO THE APP, RIGHT? THERE'S A CLOUD ON THE DEVICE TO YOUR PHONE OR SOMETHING. >> BUT WHAT THE CLOUD GETS, THOUGH, IS LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IT DETECTS THAT YOU'VE BEEN COUGHING OR SNORING. AND IT'S NO ROADWAY DATA.

>> WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF SLEEP TECH. I REMEMBER THE JAW BONE UPBAND DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF SLEEP TRACKING. THE MOST INTRUSIVE WAY OF DOING THAT, IT'S JUST THE IDEA OF A LITTLE GOOGLE RADAR PINGING ME WHILE I SLEEP. >> WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS. >> ANIMATION, THE PERSON GETS TRACKED.

>> WHAT'S YOUR SENSE OF HOW WELL THIS CATCH IS. >> I -- I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T THINK THAT THEY -- I MEAN, I WILL BE TESTING IT OUT SO I'LL REPORT BACK WHEN I DO. THE PRUKTSD MANAGER DOING MY BRIEFING SAID THE SYSTEM IS SENSITIVE ENOUGH TO DETECT MICROMETER MOVEMENT OF YOUR CHEST AND. IT HAS TO BE WITHIN A COUPLE OF FEET.

SO CALIBRATION IS GOING TO BE PART OF WHETHER OR NOT YOU GET AN ACCURATE READING. I WILL SAY THIS, I HAVE BEEN SUPER FRUSTRATED WITH MY GOOGLE SMART HOME DEVICES RECENTLY. >> IMAGINE THAT. I DON'T KNOW. >> SO I GET SO MAD.

I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL THIS IS GOING TO WORK. I WILL SAY, THOUGH, LIKE TO DEVINDA'S POINT, HE USED THIS UNIQUE APPLICATION OF TECHNOLOGY. THEY ARE FIGURING OUT WHAT TO DO. >> IF I WALK BY, IT WILL TELL ME WHAT TIME IT IS OR TAKE A PEEK BECAUSE NOBODY HAS BEEN IN THAT ROOM FOR A WHILE. IT'S BEEN GOOD FOR THINGS THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> WHEN GOOGLE STARTED DEVELOPING SOLELY, THEY BIG PUSH, THIS MICROLEVEL GESTURES, ONE OF THEIR EARLIEST MOs WAS LIKE YOU COULD USE YOUR FINGERS TO CONTROL VOLUME AT A VERY GRANULAR LEVEL. THAT SOUNDED GREAT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE FINALLY GETTING A USE FOR THAT VERY FINE GRAINED ABILITY TO MONITOR MOTION. BUT, I DON'T KNOW. IF ANYONE IS SORT OF -- IF IF I KNOW HAS EXPERIENCE WITH SOLELY, IT'S PROBABLY DUE TO SOMETHING LIKE USING A PIXEL 4. WHICH DID NOT DO VERY WELL.

AND THAT'S WHAT REALLY CONCERNS ME. LIKE THE SOLELY ARRAY IN THE PIXEL 4 WAS MEANT FOR, LIKE, VERY BIG NOTICEABLE GESTURES. YOU ARE USING YOUR HAND. YOU WERE SWIPING LEFT AND RIGHT TO CHANGE TRACTS. AND EVEN THEN IT WASN'T PARTICULARLY GOOD AT IT.

IF YOU'RE TELLING ME GOOGLE HAS BUILT A THING THAT SITS A COUPLE OF FEET AWAY FROM YOU THAT IS SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW YOUR CHEST AND -- >> OR THE RISE AND FALL OR OTHER THINGS. >> ANIMALS IN YOUR BED. >> MOVING YOUR SHIRT AROUND. >> EVERYBODY SLEEPS WITH PETS. >> OH, YEAH.

>> I HAVE ANIMALS CRAWLING OVER ME ALL NIGHT. >> I'M KIND OF JEALOUS. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY BROUGHT UP THEMSELVES WHERE THEY KNOW THAT YOUR PET CAN JUMP IN YOUR BED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND THAT SORPT OF DETECTION IS -- SO THEY PERFORMED -- THEY SAID THEY PERFORMED LIKE 110,000 NIGHTS OF TESTS. AND ON ABOUT 10,000 INDIVIDUALS TO SEE HOW ACCURATE THEIR SYSTEM WAS. AND THEY SAID THAT COMPARED TO THE GOLD STANDARD, WHICH IS POLYSOMNEGRAPHIC, THEY SAID THAT WAS THE GOLD STANDARD AND THEY SAID THERE WAS NO STATISTICAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEIR RESULTS AND THOSE.

AND COMPARED TO THE SLEEPERS OUT THERE, WHETHER IT'S WRIST WORN, WEARABLE OR A METRO SENSOR, THEY FOUND THAT THEIRS WERE COMPARABLE OR AT TIMES EVEN BETTER. AND, AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE THIS FOR OURSELVES. I THINK THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CONTROLLED STUDY AND OUT IN THE REAL WORLD. BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THE ALGORITHM HAS BEEN TRAINED TO BE SMART ENOUGH TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN WHEN YOUR CAT IS CRAWLING ACROSS YOUR BED -- CRAWLING? SKULKING, WHATEVER, ACROSS YOUR BED VERSUS WHEN YOU'RE JUST FLIPPING AROUND OR, LIKE, REACHING FOR YOUR PHONE. AND IF YOU'RE REACHING FOR YOUR PHONE, THE ALGORITHM SHOULD BE LIKE, YOU'RE AWAKE.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING UP, BRO IS IN? TURN IT OFF AND GO TO BED. >> THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THAT TRAINING, TOO. YOU SAID THEY TESTED THE STUFF FOR 110,000 NIGHTS? >> WITH 10,000 INDIVIDUALS. >> Interpreter: WONDER HOW MANY OF THOSE 10,000 PEOPLE HAD SEX IN FRONT OF THIS THING OR JUST ABSTAINED BECAUSE THEY KNEW -- >> RIGHT. RIGHT.

>> YOU GET WHERE I'M GOING. >> THEY NEED TO NOT ONLY HAVE SEX, LET'S BE HONEST, THEY NEEDED TO EXCLUDE -- >> THEY TO IDENTIFY THAT DATA. >> IDENTIFY AND THEN EXCLUDE, WHICH YOU ARE TOTALLY RIGHT. DID ANY ENGINEER FIGURE OUT WHAT ALGORITHMIC PATTERN OF SEX -- >> IT'S ALL THE JUMPING UP AND DOWN IN THIS GRAPH. THE GRAPH IS GOING UP AND DOWN AND UP AND DOWN.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. >> THIS IS A HAPPY THURSDAY MORNING, Y'ALL. >> THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I COME AND CRASH THE SHOW. >> CRASH THE SHOW. HERE IS THE OTHER THING.

ALSO IF YOU REGULARLY SLEEP ALONE, BUT, YOU KNOW, OCCASIONALLY YOU HAVE A VISITOR STAY OVER, I ASKED WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AND WOULD THAT AFFECT YOUR RESULT AND THE THE ANSWER WAS THAT, WELL, MAYBE, BUT IF IT DOES, YOU CAN EXCLUDE THAT NIGHT. AND THE IDEA HERE ON GOOGLE'S END IS THAT YOU'RE NOT -- THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO GET HUNG UP ON ONE NIGHT OF SLEEP DATA. THEY WANT YOU TO FOCUS ON YOUR GENERAL SLEEP PATTERNS. AND DO THINGS THAT CAN HELP YOU SLEEP BETTER, THINGS THAT ARE WITHIN YOUR CONTROL LIKE -- >> SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE IS GOING TO BE A ONE NIGHT STAND, BASICALLY, AT SOME POINT. >> I MEAN, HOWEVER MANY NIGHTS A -- >> I WOULD JUST ADD THAT GOOGLE HAS TO ANSWER THE HARD QUESTIONS, OKAY? SO, YEAH.

>> I ASKED THEM IN EUPHEMISTIC WAYS. SO DON'T WORRY, I HAD A LOT OF FUN NOT ONLY IN THIS INTERVIEW WHERE I WAS STRUCK COMING UP WITH DIFFERENT WAYS TO SAY THESE THINGS, AND ALSO WRITING THE POST, BEING LIKE, WELL, HOW ABOUT WHEN YOU HAVE A STAYOVER? SURE. >> I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO GO ANYWHERE, THIS DEVICE. SURE. >> I ACTUALLY -- YOU'VE GIVEN ME AN IDEA.

I DO NEED TO TEST THIS THING OUT IN A VARIETY OF SITUATIONS. SO WE'LL SEE HOW EFFECT EFFECTIVE THAT STUFF ALL IS. SO, YEAH, IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION YOUIVE THAT STUFF ALL IS. SO, YEAH, IT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION YOU POSE. BUT, YEAH, THIS IS COMING, Y'ALL.

IN ADDITION TO THE SLEEP SENSING, OTHER STUFF THAT IS NEW, ASSISTANCE SHOULD BE FASTER TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUERIES. IT HAS A NEW AUDIOS SYSTEM THAT IS NOW IN THE NEST AUDIO VERSUS THE UNDERWHELMING SYSTEM WE HAD BEFORE. SO BETTER AUDIO. THE NEST AUDIO, HONESTLY, FOR THE SIZE AND THE PRICE HAD REALLY GOOD AUDIO QUALITY. SO THAT'S NICE TO HAVE IN THIS NEST HUB, AS WELL.

SO STILL SOME IMPROVEMENTS HERE. REMEMBER PTROIT, DEV, FROM A FEW EPISODES AGO? AS IN CAR JACK CONNECTED. PROJECT CONNECTED HOME OVER IEP OR WHAT WE DECIDED TO SAY, PCHOIP. SO THERE IS THE THREAD THAT ENABLES THAT SYSTEM THAT PEOPLE ARE HOPING WILL BECOME A SMART HOME PLATFORM THAT WORKS IN FEATURES. SO LOTS TO LEARN ABOUT THE NEW NEST HUB AND I CAN'T WAIT TO GET IT IN TO TEST.

WOULD LOVE TO HEAR ALL Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS. SO SEND THEM OUR WAY PODCAST@ENGADGET. COM. I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD ENOUGH END TO THE SEGMENT. >> THAT WAS A GREAT END TO THE SEGMENT.

SO GOODNESS, DO WE HAVE -- >> ACTUALLY MAKE -- >> QUESTIONS? >> I SHOULD MAKE A NOTE OF WHERE THIS SEGMENT ENDED. >> OKAY. >> ALL RIGHT. THANKS FOR HANGING IN THERE, ALL Y'ALL WHO ARE WATCHING THE Y YOUTUBE. WE'RE SORRY, IT'S A LITTLE UNCLEAR FROM THE TITLE THAT WE'RE RECORD AGO PODCAST AND WE CAN'T TALK TO YOU UNTIL THE BREAKS, BUT HERE IS A BREAK.

>> YEAH. HERE IS A BREAK. WE'RE TALKING IN THE CHAT, SO LIGHT UP THE CHAT WITH ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT. I WAS LOGGING SO MANY COMMENTS SO WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH A BUNCH OF THEM PRETTY FAST. AND THEN I THINK THERE WERE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT I THINK ARE WORTH TALKING ABOUT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

>> OKAY. >> SO JULIUS SAYS, LIKE, RIGHT AROUND WHEN WE WERE LISPING TO THE AWESOME SONG, JESUS IS TERRIBLE TO ALL WHO APPROVED THIS. A JONATHAN ANDERSON WATCHED THE AWESOME UNPACKED EVENT AND WAS LIKE, WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO USE THESE WORDS? LOOKS LIKE A COOL PHONE, THOUGH. >> OH, OKAY. >> THEY'RE INTO THE PHONE, OKAY.

>> KYLA TECH SAYS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BEFORE WE GOT INTO ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT THE PHONES AND WE WERE JUST MOSTLY ROASTING THE STAGE SHOW, DO THEY NOT KNOW THAT THE A-51 WAS THE BEST SELLING PHONE OF 2019? >> V TALKED ABOUT THAT. >> YEAH. >> IT IS A HIGHLY POPULAR BUNCH OF STUFF. FAT PRODUCE SAID THAT ONE OF THE YOUTUBERS THEY WATCH, A GUY NAMED JVTECHT SAYS VLOGGING. >> OH, JOSH.

REGARDS VLOGGING? >> NO. HE'S TROLLING US. >> HE HAS TO BE TROLLING. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. >> MAYBE HE DOES.

>> I'M GOING TO GO TALK TO JP. WE'RE FRIENDS. I'LL CORRECT -- >> GET THE GROUP CHAT GOING. WE HAVE TO BE CLEAR ABOUT LANGUAGE HERE. I DON'T WANT ANOTHER GIF SITUATION BECAUSE THAT WAS VERY DUMB.

>> WE DID START SAYING GIF. THAT WAS ALWAYS THE WAY. >> NO, IT'S GIF. IT'S GIT. >> SORRY.

AND THEN AT ONE POINT, SOMEONE WAS TALKING ABOUT, LIKE, THE CHIP SETS ON THESE PHONES, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE X AND Os A LITTLE BIT. AND SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT A SNAPPED DRAGON, WHICH I'M PRETTY SURE WAS A TYPO, BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE PERFECTLY -- IT'S LIKE, OH, WOW, PHAM. LIKE SAMSUNG TOTALLY SNAPPED WITH THIS NEW A-SERIES. >> WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BACK TO OH SNAP. THAT WAS THE 90s.

>> IT'S NOT O SNAP. >> WHAT'S UP? >> THEY POPPED OFF. WELL, YES, IT'S LIKE THAT IS -- I THINK THAT IS KIND OF MORE LIKE -- LIKE ZENNAL SORT OF THING. SO THE PEOPLE ON THE CUSP AGAIN GEN Z AND MILLENNIAL, ALL OF THESE GENERATIONS BUT LISTENING TO HER SPEAK IS BECAUSE THEY'RE REDOING 90s STREET LINGO. LIKE THAT IS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE WE'RE COMING BACK AROUND AND -- EVERYTHING COMES BACK FULL CIRCLE.

>> YEAH. >> SO WE HAVE A BUNCH MORE COMMENTS. ONE REALLY RELEVANT ONE THAT I THINK CAN BE ANSWERED PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE WE HAVE A LONGER CONVERSATION. IN THE A SERIES THIS TIME. THIS IS FOR JESS.

>> I DON'T KNOW OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. BUT LET ME SEE IF I HAVE THAT IN MY EMAIL SOMEWHERE. >> CLEAR THIS OUT. HAVE FUN. BE RIGHT BACK.

>> OKAY. >> SO -- >> BUT CONTINUE. >> MARK SAYS -- THIS IS A FREQUENT COMMENT TO MARK DELL. THIS IS MOSTLY A QUESTION FOR CHERYLYNN, ANYWAY. WHERE THE ENGADGET IS TO NOT SEE ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS PRESENTATION, LIKE A COMPETITOR OR WHEN DO YOU EXPECT THEY'LL HAVE ANOTHER EVENT SOON FOR TABLETS AND SUCH? >> HOW -- >> ALL I CAN SAY IS WE WEREN'T SURPRISED.

LET'S JUST SAY WE WERE NOT SURPRISED. >> I WILL SAY, THOUGH, I WAS EXPECTING THAT THING IN THAT BOX TO BE SOMETHING. >> YOU WERE. YOU WERE OBSESSED WITH THAT BOX. >> BUT AS USUAL, I READ THE THIN INCORRECTLY.

>> I WAS RIGHT. >> YOU USUALLY ARE. IT'S OKAY. I GET IT. >> THE CHESSHIRE SMILE OF PEOPLE THAT WORK IN PROFESSIONAL TECH REVIEWS.

V, DO YOU HAVE THE BANDS? >> OH, NO. IF I FIND THEM, I'LL JUST SHOUT THEM OUT. >> SO I'LL TRY TO PULL THEM UP. >> WE DON'T HAVE 5G BANDS QUITE YET. >> I'M GOING TO DO THAT NOW AND THEN WE CAN RUN WITH THE OTHERS WHILE WE STILL HAVE V.

I WAS GOING TO SHOUT OUT SOME OTHER STUFF. STUFF YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO. BUT DURING THE GOOGLE SEGMENT, YOU KNOW, OTHER PEOPLE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME SORT OF STUFF LIKE JUST THAT AMOUNT OF RADAR SO CLOSE TO YOU, LIKE, LOOKINGLTY YOUR MOVEMENT IN BED, THAT COULD BE, LIKE, ALSO PROBLEMATIC, ALL SORTS OF -- >> YES. >> MARK DALE SAYS, OKAY, HERE IS MY PITCH. IF THEY NOTICE RAPID MOVEMENT, WHEN IT EVENTUALLY STOPS, THEY CAN POP OPEN A RATING ON THE SCREEN WITH ANIMATION.

SO CLOSING YOUR RINGS WITH THE APPLE WATCH. >> OH! OH, MY GOD. OKAY. I'M THINKING OBVIOUSLY IN A CERTAIN WAY. DO YOU REMEMBER ON TWITTER WHEN THEY GUY PUT A SENSOR IN HIS FRIEND'S BED AND IT WOULD TWEET ANYTIME THERE WAS -- AND IT WOULD TALK ABOUT HOW LONG, HOW INTENSE? >> I DON'T REMEMBER THAT.

>> I DON'T REMEMBER THAT. >> THAT'S AN INVASION OF PRIVACY, BUDDY. >> THAT SURE WAS. HE FINALLY CAME CLEAN TO THEM AND TOLD THEM WHAT WAS HAPPENING AND THEY FORGAVE HIM, BUT THAT WAS A WHOLE THING FOR A WHILE. I FORGET NAME OF THAT TWITTER ACCOUNT.

>> LOST TO THE SANDS OF TIME. >> A GUY AUTO USED TO WORK WITH, THE TECH CRUNCH YEARS AND YEARS AGO PITCHED A PACKAGE ONCE WHERE HE WOULD USE EVERY FITNESS TRACKER AVAILABLE INCLUDING ONE THAT CAME WITH POKEMON HEART GOLD AND SILVER TO JUST MEASURE HIS VITALS DURING SEXUAL CONGRESS. AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS EVER PUBLISHED, BUT I FEEL LIKE SOMEWHERE HE'S OUT THERE IN THE BAY AREA JUST SORT OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT COULD BE. >> WELL, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE THAT THAT IS THE SIGN OF A LONG-TERM AND TRUSTING RELATIONSHIP BECAUSE THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU CAN JUST BE STRAPPED UP WITH, LIKE, FIVE DIFFERENT THINGS. >> BUT NOT IN A GOOD WAY? >> WELL, OKAY, YES, BUT STRAPPED UP WITH LIKE TEN OR 15 DIRNTS FITNESS TRACKERS.

I'M KIND OF EXAGGERATING HERE. AND THEN CALL THE PERSON THAT YOU'RE CASUALLY SEEING AND BEING LIKE, HEY, DO YOU WANT TO COME OVER? AND BE LIKE, HEY, WHAT THE HECK. I HAVE TO CLOSE THESE LOOPS. CAN YOU HELP ME TEST THIS? NO. YOU HAVE TO BE WITH SOMEONE FOR A WHILE.

>> YOU DON'T KNOW. HOW LONG HOW TINDER WORKS ANY MORE. MAYBE EVERY -- >> IF WE'RE -- SO IF WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT THE 5G BANDS IN THE -- >> I LOOKED IN THE SPEC SHEET THAT SAMSUNG GAVE US. THEY WERE NOT VERY SPECIFIC FOR SPEC SHEETS. >> YEAH.

>> WHICH IS SUPPORTING IN ITS OWN WAY. >> BUT NOT A SURPRISE. >> NOT A SURPRISE. >> NOT VERY SURPRISING. SO, JOSH, WE REALLY DID TRY.

>> FOR NOW, THEY'RE NOT SHARING THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE I ALSO DID A SEARCH ON GOOGLE. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. WE DO KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THE A-52 SPZ 5G IS, FOR EXAMPLE, I BELIEVE THE ONLY MODEL OF THE BUNCH THAT HAS MST OR MAGNETIC STRIPE PAINTS. SO IF YOU LIVE AND CREATE A VERSION, THERE'S VERY REGIONAL DIFFERENCES. >> ONE THING WE DON'T TALK ABOUT WHEN IT COMES TO SLEEP TECH, BY THE WAY, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO DO A GOOD SLEEP APNEA MACHINE.

I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THE DEVICES RIGHT NOW ARE REALLY BIG AND CLUNKY AND REQUIRE A LOT OF WORK. >> AND THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE WHO HAVE IT THAT IT'S A GOOD MARKET. >> YEAH. >> SO IN TERMS OF THE MORE GENERAL KIND OF QUESTIONS, WE'VE GOT A USER CALLED -- THAT SAYS I WOULD LIKE -- ON APPLE NOW -- LONG DAY. SO WHERE ARE THE ALTERNATIVES? >> PIXEL.

>> GOOD QUESTION. PIXEL. >> YEAH, PIXEL. >> SO IS YOUR CHOICE BETWEEN A, B AND C SAMSUNG, APPLE, PIXEL? GOOGLE PIXEL, IS THAT IT? >> SONY. >> SONY IS IN THERE.

I THINK MOTOROLA IS DOING SOME SOLID STUFF IN THE MID RANGE. IT DEPENDS HOW MUCH YOU'RE WILLING TO SPEND. THE FLAGSHIP STUFF HAS BEEN DOMINATED. BUT IF YOU'RE ONLY LOOKING TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF $600 AND BELOW, YOU HAVE A LOT OF OPTIONS DEPENDING ON WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN MARKETS WHERE POCO IS A THING. I LOVE THOSE GUYS.

TEAM DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH THE POCO PHONES. MOTOROLA IS LIKE ALL OVER THE PLACE. THEY'RE GENERALLY A PRETTY SAFE BET, ALTHOUGH THEY DO HAVE THEIR QUIRKS. THERE'S A LOT OF REGIONAL BRANDS, TOO, WORTH LOOKING INTO. THE DIFFICULT THING FOR US IS THAT COMPAREDIVELY SPEAKING, THE U.

S. SMARTPHONE MARKET IS REALLY BORING COMPARED TO EVERYBODY ELSE. BUT IT IS ALSO LIKE A LOT FOR ONE OR TWO PEOPLE TO LIKE COVER. SO WE DON'T ALWAYS GET TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME SORT OF LOOKING INTO INTERNATIONAL AND SORT OF LOWER COST OPTIONS AS WE MIGHT LIKE, WHICH KIND OF SUCKS, TO BE FAIR. >> I DON'T HONESTLY HAVE A PROBLEM, YEAH, GO AHEAD.

>> SORRY. THAT WAS ALSO NOKIA OFF OF A BUNCH OF OTHER PHONES, LIKE VISA. DEPENDING ON THE -- YOU HAVE SO MANY MORE OPTIONS. >> I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE MARKET STABILIZING A COUPLE OF COMPANIES. THIS IS KIND OF WHAT HAPPENS.

AND THEY'RE -- THE BIGGEST ONES IN THE LEAST BECAUSE THEIR DEVICES LAST LONGER GENERALLY ARE HIGHER QUALITY. ANYTIME YOU GO TO A NO NAME BRAND, IT IS A RISK OR IT'S A RISK THAT YOUR PHONE WILL DIE WITHIN A YEAR OR A COUPLE OF YEARS. SECURITY CONCERNS. >> BECAUSE OF REASONS, ALSO -- >> MANY, MANY -- >> MANY REASONS. >> SO TAEKD ABOUT JUST THE LACK OF OTHER OPTIONS BECAUSE THERE WAS -- ACTUALLY, ITS WAS FAT PRODUCE TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE -- IS IT A NEW EXPERO RELEASE? >> EXPERIA? >> EXCUSE ME.

>> THEY'RE STILL GOOD. THE EXPERIA MARK 2 WAS AN INSANE PHONE THAT NO ONE REALLY SHOULD BUY. BUT GOD -- I HAVE NEVER ENJOYED USING A SMARTPHONE CAMERA MORE AND THAT'S PURELY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T DO ANY OF, LIKE, THE HAND HOLDING WITH AI THAT YOU GET OUT OF LIKES A PIXEL. LIKE I TOOK TESTING, PIXEL WAS NEW AT THE TIME BECAUSE PHILOSOPHICALLY THEY'RE SO DIFFERENT. AND I FELT MORE PROUD OF THE PHOTOS, THE GOOD LOOKING PHOTOS I TOOK WITH THE SONY BECAUSE I DID IT ALL MYSELF.

SONY DEVICES VARY ON THE HIGH END SPECIFICALLY, KIND OF LIKE A PEEL OF PEOPLE WITH MORE ARTISTIC TEMPERAMENTS. BUT THE EXPERIENCE I HAVE MARKED, WHICH I BELIEVE IS LIKE A LOWER END VERSION OF THAT PHONE WAS NOT A SUPER EXPENSIVE THING. AND THERE WAS A LOT TO LIKE ABOUT IT. SO, YEAH, IT'S A GOOD POINT. SONY IS STILL OUT THERE AND THEY'RE STILL DOING GOOD WORK.

>> THEY JUST SEEM TO BE A LOT MORE NICHE, I THINK, LIKE VLOGGING. >> SO JUST IN RELATION TO THAT, DANIEL IS IN THE CHAT AND JUST SAID SONY AIN'T BEEN GOOD SINCE THE SONY ERICSSON K 800I. >> WAIT, HOLD THAT THOUGHT. I'LL BE RIGHT BACK. >> HE HAS A SONY ERICSSON -- >> OH, HE'S GOING INTO THE BOXES.

BEFORE WE STARTED TODAY, V HAS THE MOST TRADITIONAL -- >> I WOULD SAY SONY IS NOT HAS NOT BEEN GREAT SINCE MY BOY SONY ERICSSON P19-I RUNNING THAT SWEET JAVA FLIP OUT KEYBOARD THAT WAS IMPOSSIBLE TO USE. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN LIKE 2004, 2005. >> I LOVED THAT SONY ERICSSON. >> EVERYTHING WAS SO WEIRD BACK THEN. SO BEAUTIFUL.

>> NOKIA HAS NOT BEEN GOOD SINCE -- >> THE NOKIA 7610, MY FIRST FAVORITE PHONE OF ALL TIME. >> THE NOKIA E-7 I GOT OVER HERE. >> IT'S OKAY. IT'S OKAY. I WISH I HAD MY OCEAN WITHIN REACH.

I WOULD JUST GRAB THAT. >> OH, THE HELIOS, MAN. >> I'VE SEEN A FEW DIFFERENT PHONE COLLECTORS ON TIKTOK. LIKE PEOPLE WHO HAVE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE PHONES THROUGHOUT MOBILE HISTORY. AND MAYBE IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO SEE IF WE CAN BOOK ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE I THINK.

>> AND WE CAN ALSO JUST DIVE INTO THAT. >> WE'RE GOING TO GET MICHAEL FISHES ON TO TALK ABOUT WHEN PHONES WERE FUN. >> WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. THAT'S A WHOLE THING. >> SO MARK DALE SAYS CAN WE JUST DO A LIVE STREAM WHERE CHRIS GOES THROUGH HIS DRAWERS? >> WHICH DRAWERS? >> I WAS ABOUT TO SAY, THE DRAWERS BEHIND YOU, NOT DRAWERS.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT THINGS. >> OR DRESSER DRAWERS. >> WELL, SURE. >> ONE OTHER GENERAL QUESTION, JONATHAN ANDERSON ASKS, WONDERING IF WE CAN TALK ABOUT STARLINK. I BELIEVE THIS IS THE CUBE SAT SORT OF INTERNET.

>> I'M SORRY -- >> AND IF I UNDERSTAND IT, LIKEN GADGET HASN'T QUITE GOTTEN TO THAT BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BEFORE. >> WE'VE COVERED STARLINK. >> BUT, LIKE, TRIED IT, THOUGHTS ON IT, YOU KNOW, THE FULL REVIEWS. >> UH-HUH. >> I'D SAY NONE OF OUR CAR PEOPLE ARE HERE, BUT GO AHEAD.

ANYONE WANT TO TALK ABOUT STARLINK? >> SO, LOOK, I THINK IT'S A PHENOMENAL IDEA. I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ON THE PODCAST RIGHT NOW ARE LIKE SUPER EQUIPPED TO TRY IT OUT. LIKE I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO MY -- >> I CAN MAYBE -- >> GOOD ENOUGH, BUT I AM -- >> BUT YOU ALSO ARE KIND OF FINE, RIGHT? IDEALLY, SO WE USED TO HAVE ONE OF OUR -- I GUESS HE WAS HEAD OF SOCIAL. WE USED TO HAVE A GUY WHO WENT -- >> ENGAGEMENT EDITOR. >> YEAH, OUR ENGAGEMENT EDITOR WHO DECIDED, HEY, I'M GOING TO LIVE OUT OF A VAN FOR SIX MONTHS.

AND AS FAR AS I'M AWARE, HE DID IT FOR PART OF THAT TIME. SEE IF YOU CAN GET ACTUAL VIABLE -- ISSUE FOR HIM. I FEEL LIKE AT LEAST FOR THE THREE OF US -- I DON'T WANT TO -- I DON'T KNOW WHAT CONVERSATIONS YOU'VE HAD. I HAVE NOT SPOKEN WITH PEOPLE. THEY HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO US THREE.

>> WE THOUGHT MAYBE ANDREW MIGHT HAVE COVERED IT, BUT I HAVEN'T. >> AT ENGADGET, WE RELY ON EXPERTS. SO NONE OF US HERE REALLY HAVE BEEN THAT DEEP INTO STARLINK. WE KIND OF -- I HAVE A PASSING KNOWLEDGE OF IT, BARELY. >> I MEAN, IT'S A COOL IDEA.

SOME FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THAT'S THE BIG THING. >> AND WE'VE GOT FAT PRODUCE IN THE SHACK THAT JUST SAID STARLINK CAN BE A GAME CHANGER HERE IN THE OZARK MOUNTAINS. >> WE DON'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME TALKING ABOUT THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY.

>> IT'S IN OUR PLANS. >> DIGITAL DIVIDE. IF THERE'S ANYTHING THE PANDEMIC HAS SHOWN US, IT'S A REALLY SERIOUS HOME. SO MAYBE JUST THAT IN NEW YORK CITY. IN THE LOCAL AREA.

STARLINK, FASTER ADOPTION OF MAYBE SATELLITE BASED INTERNET. >> IT'S COOL. LIKE POSSIBLY TELL US ABOUT THAT. >> SO MANY CUBE SATS. OUTSIDE OF THAT.

LIKE OUR FRONT DOOR. THE. >> FOR ME LEAVING? YEAH. >> OH, YEAH. IN THE BACKGROUND NOW, THOUGH.

LET'S JUST DO A DANCE PARTY FOR A FEW SECONDS. >> SAFEST FOR Bs. >> NO. >> WALK OUT AND FLAT FINISH IN YOUR POCKET. >> AS IF HE WAS A PICTTCHER IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL OR SOMETHING.

>> CAN I RECORD A COVER OF THAT? >> PLEASE. STOP. >> PLEASE DO. >> ANYWAY -- >> I'M NOT GOING DO -- OKAY. >> I'M GOING TO JUST SEND V OFF FOR THE AUDIO NOW.

GET READY. >> V, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US FOR THE CONVERSATION TODAY. WHERE CAN PEOPLE FIND YOU LOIB? >> FIND ME ON TWITTER AT CHRIS VELESCO OR EMAIL ME BECAUSE I REALLY LIKE EMAIL. I'M V@ENGADGET. COM.

>> WE'LL TALK TO YOU SOON. THANK YOU. >> BYE. >> AWESOME. AWESOME BEANS.

>> OKAY. >> THANKS, V. >> I WILL CUT MY RECORDING. >> AND LET'S MOVE ON TO -- >> ALL RIGHT. BYE, GUYS.

>> THE NEXT SEGMENT. LET'S MOVE ON TO OTHER NEWS. >> OTHER NEWS. >> DEV, DID YOU WANT TO TAKE IT BECAUSE THE FIRST ONE IS YOURS? >> SURE. I'LL JUST -- I MEAN, I'LL JUMP INTO THIS SECTION AND DO PC HARD CORE.

HOW ABOUT THAT? >> YEAH. >> OKAY. NOW THE -- ACTUALLY, LIKE THAT. OKAY. NOW THAT WE'VE KICKED V OUT OF HERE, LET'S TALK ABOUT SOME REAL HARDWARE, GROWN-UP HARDWARE.

POWER IN DESKTOP PCs, WELCOME TO THE PC HARDWARE CORNER. THIS WEEK, INTEL ANNOUNCED ITS NEW 11th GENERATION DESKTOP CPUs AND THESE ARE THE POWERFUL ONES. THESE ARE THE ONE THAT'S ARE GOING TO BE GOING INTO GAMING DESKTOPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY'RE FINE. THEY'RE INTERESTING.

LIKE MUCH MORE THAT WE CAN SAY ABOUT INTEL STUFF THESE DAYS. BUT THE INTERESTING THING IS THE NEW TOP END CHIP, THE CORE I-91100 -- THE 11900 K IS -- LAST YEAR'S CHIP WAS ACTUALLY 10 CORES. SO IN A WAY, YEAH, INTEL IS KIND OF MOVING BACKWARDS, BUT INSTEAD OF PACKING END CORES, IT'S RAMPING UP CLOCK SPEED, IT'S DOING OTHER THINGS TO SPEED UP THESE CHIPS. IT'S SAYING, YOU KNOW, THESE CHIPS ARE -- I BELIEVE THE FIGURE WAS UP TO 19% FASTER THAN LAST YEAR'S MODELS IN CERTAIN RESPECTS. SO THERE ARE SPEED IMPROVEMENTS.

I THINK THE KEY HERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, RAW SPEED -- RAW CLOCK SPEED, YOU KNOW, AND PERFORMANCE WITHIN A SINGLE CORE OR A COUPLE OF CORES IS MORE IMPORTANT TO GAMES AND GAMERS THAN HAVING A TON OF STUFF OUT THERE BECAUSE MOST GAMES DO NOT TAKE THAT VERY WELL. SO THESE CHIPS LOOK INTERESTING, BUT I DO THINK, LIKE, THE WAR NOW IS BETWEEN THIS AND AMD'S NEW VERIZON 5,000 CHIPS. AND THAT WAR IS CONTINUING, BUT I ALSO THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STARTING TO SEE THE AGEING OF INTEL'S ARCHITECTURE HERE. THESE ARE 14 NANOMETER METER C. INTEL IS LAGGING BEHIND.

BUT, YEAH, THEY'VE GOT NEW STUFF AT LEAST. >> YOU ALSO -- YEAH, CONTINUE. >> YEAH. YEAH, IT'S GOOD THAT INTEL IS, YOU KNOW, SHOWING OFF THEIR NEW STUFF. THEY ALSO RULED OUT A NEW AD CAMPAIGN FOR THEIR LAPTOPS STARRING JUSTIN LONG.

THE I'M A MAC GUY FROM THE APPLE COMMERCIALS FROM 15 YEARS AGO. THEY'RE CALLED JUSTIN GETS REAL AND IT'S BASICALLY HIM SHOWING OFF DIFFERENT FEATURES THE PCs HAVE NOW, LIKE TWO IN ONE FLEXIBILITY AND GAMING SUPPORT IN TOUCH SCREENS AND COMPARING THEM TO MACES. I SEE SOME PEOPLE ONLINE AND ON TWITTER WHO ARE REALLY INTO THESE ADS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S TRUE, PCs GENERALLY HAVE SOMETHING OVERHANGS THESE DAYS. BUT THE WAY THEY'RE GOING ABOUT THIS, GETTING JUSTIN LONG BACK, BASICALLY RECREATING APPLE'S OLD AD CAMPAIGN SEEMS TO DESPERATE AND KIND OF SAD. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE INTEL HAS BEEN IN DEFENSE MODE EVER SINCE THE M-1 CHIP WAS ANNOUNCED AND AS SOON AS WE START SEEING RESULTS FROM THAT, THOSE CHIPS ARE INSANELY FAST.

THE M-1 MACBOOK AIR AND MACBOOK PRO ARE SOME OF THE BEST MACHINES I'VE EVER TESTED. INTEL, INSTEAD OF SAYING WE HAVE TO BUCKLE UP AND MAKE OUR STUFF BETTER, INTEL IS LIKE, NO, LOOK AT WHAT APPLE'S CAN'T DO. LOOK AT WHAT MAC'S CAN'T DO. AND IT JUST FEELS KIND OF SAD TO ME. I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO MARKET THIS THAT IS MORE CONFIDENT RATHER THAN ALWAYS ALIGNING YOURSELF AGAINST APPLE.

THERE'S NO COOL FACTOR, RIGHT? THERE'S NO COOL FACTOR LIKE APPLE HAD WITH ITS ADS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS, CHERYLYNN. >> I GUESS THEIR SO-CALLED COOL FACTOR IS ALWAYS RETALIATORY, LIKE, HERE, WE'VE GOT JUSTIN LONG NOW. HE'S A PC NOW. AND HE IS ALL ABOUT THESE PCs AND INTEL CHIPS.

IT FEELS VERY INLINE WITH MY UNDERSTANDING. OF INTEL SO FAR WHERE THEY FEEL -- I DON'T KNOW IF THEY FEEL ATTACKED OR THEY GET A BIT DEFENSIVE EVERY NOW AND THEN, BUT THEY DO DO INTERESTING THINGS. I'D MUCH RATHER THEY FOCUS ON THAT. I FORGET WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE NAME HAS STACKED THE COMPONENTS ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. >> IT'S COOL AND THOSE CHIPS -- >> IT'S REALLY COOL.

>> WE'RE STILL WAITING TO SEE MORE OF THAT STUFF COMING. LIKE WE'RE WAITING ON THE NEXT GENERATION OF CHIPS AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, I BELIEVE. SO THERE'S SOME COOL STUFF HAPPENING. INTEL IS BASING IT FROM ALL SIDES. AMD IS COMING AT IT WITH KILLER LAPTOPS.

APPLE CAME OUT OF NOWHERE WITH THIS CHIP THAT IS FASTER THAN ANY PROCESSOR WE'VE SEEN. SO, YEAH, I CAN SEE WHERE INTEL IS DOING THIS. I JUST FEEL LIKE THEY NEED MORE CONFIDENCE. THEY NEED TO STOP JUST -- WHEN APPLE WAS DOING THESE ADS, RIGHT, THEY WERE THE UNDERDOG. THEY WERE SAYING, LIKE, LOOK AT BIG, BAD INTEL IN THESE BORING PCs.

WE HAVE COOL NEW HARDWARE. AND THEY HAVE THAT REAL ABILITY TO CONVEY COOLNESS. WHEREAS INTEL IS LIKE, LOOK OVER HERE, GUYS. OUR PCs CAN DO THIS. WE CAN DO THAT.

AND WE HAVE THE MAC GUY. THERE'S NOTHING REALLY THERE. >> GOOD LUCK. >> YEAH, GO AHEAD. >> INTEL SOUNDS LIKE THE WHOLE MORE CONFIDENCE IN THEMSELVES.

IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE THEY NEED THERAPY, YOU KNOW? >> THAT'S ALL YOU HAVE TO DO. ALSO, AS WE REVIEW THE AMD RADON 6700XD, THIS IS THE MID RANGE CPU. THE GRAPHICS CARD IS MEANT TO COMPETE WITH NVIDIA'S 370 AND THE 36 CTI. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF MIXED ON THIS THING. I DO THINK IT'S VERY FAST AT TIMES, BUT THE RACING IS NOT GREAT.

THE FANS ARE VERY -- WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FINAL PRICING WILL BE. BECAUSE ONE THING WE'VE NOTICED IS THAT THE GPU MARKET OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS IS KIND OF A CRAP SHOW. LIKE IT IS -- IT'S HARD TO GET THINGS IN STOCK. IT'S HARD TO GET THINGS AT THE CORRECT PRICING. I WAS LOOKING UP PRICES AT NEW EGG.

A CARD THAT'S SUPPOSED TO SELL FOR $499, IF YOU CAN FIND IT AT ALL, IT IS GOING FOR UPWARDS OF $700. THIS MARKET IS RIDICULOUS AND INSANE BECAUSE SKCALPERS COME I AND GET THE STUFF IMMEDIATELY AND BECAUSE OF THE COVID-19 THE SUPPLY CHIPS AND SHORTAGES HAVE DRIVEN PRICES UP. HOLD OUT IF YOU CAN BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THIS WHOLE MARKET NEEDS TO REALLY STEP IT UP. ONE OTHER THING IS SOME ALIEN WARE LAPTOPS. THE NEW LAPTOPS WILL HAVE CHERRY MX MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS AS AN OPTION.

>> YO. YES. >> THAT'S PRETTY COOL. YOU'LL HAVE YOUR NICE CLICKY KEYBOARDS, GREAT FOR GAMERS. GAMERS LIKE THAT FOR ACCURACY AND FOR THE WAY MULTIPLE KEYS FEEL UNDER YOUR FINGERTIPS.

SO I WROTE THIS UP, ENGADGET. SO CHECK THAT OUT. THAT'S GOING ON BE A $150 UPGRADE. AND THEY WORK FOR 3 1/2 YEARS WITH CHERRY MX TO DESIGN THESE KEYS. THEY BASICALLY CREATED AN ULTRA LOW PROFILE SWITCH DESIGN THAT KIND OF LIKES LIKE THE DELORIAN DOORS THAT GO UP AND DOWN.

IT SOUNDS COOL. I HAVEN'T TOUCHED IT OR TESTED IT. SO I'M LOG FORWARD TO SEEING THESE MACHINES AND, YEAH, I HOPE THIS STICKS AROUND. OTHER COMPANIES LIKE RAZOR HAVE INTRODUCED SEMI MECHANICAL SWITCHES IN LAPTOPS AND GAVE UP ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. FOR THIS CATEGORY.

>> AND CHERRY IS LIKE A REALLY RECOGNIZABLE BRAND IN THE MECHANICAL KEYBOARD SPACE, TOO. DO WE KNOW -- AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE CHOICE TO ASK FOR THIS PRODUCT. BUT DO WE KNOW WHAT COLOR SWITCHES THEY'RE USING? >> I THINK IT'S MORE LIKE THE CHERRY MX BROWN SWITCHES. I CAN REPEAT SOME STUFF AND I HAVE A HARD TIME FIGURING OUT WHAT IS WHAT HERE. IT IS NOT VERY NOISY, BUT IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE BEST AVERAGE.

>> I LIKE THE -- YEAH, BROWN IS DEFINITELY ALONG THE LINES OF CLICKY, BUT NOT SO CLICKY. >> I DON'T WANT TO BE OVERDONE. AND ALIEN WARE POSES SOME STUFF ON TWITTER, TOO. IT COULD BE COOL. I HAVE -- I DON'T PERSONALLY WRONG MECHANICAL KEYBOARDS BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT CONDUCIVE TO PODCASTING.

SO IT IS NICE TO HAVE ONE AROUND WHEN I'M GAMING, BUT MOST OF THE TIME I'M USING THE LOGITECH ONE. >> I'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE THE HEIGHT OR THE THICKNESS OF THE LAPTOP GIVEN ITS MECHANICAL. >> WE'LL SEE. IN OTHER NEWS, WE'RE ALSO COVERING SOUTH BY SOUTHWEST THIS YEAR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU -- DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS GOING? THIS IS A WEIRD SHOW.

WE'RE ALL COVERING ENGADGET. BUT THERE'S NOT MUCH TO COVER AT THIS POINT. >> YEAH. >> IT'S LIKE NORMALLY THE SHOW IS ALREADY KIND OF -- ON THE TEAM I'M A BIT MORE OF A GADGET PERSON. SO THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GADGET NEWS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD TECH DEMONSTRATION.

>> AND CULTURE STUFF. >> AND ENTERTAINMENT STUFF WHERE IT OVERLAPS WITH OUR SCOPE OF COVERAGE. WHEN I'VE GONE, IT'S USUALLY LIKE I'VE GONE AND CHECKED OUT A BEAUTY TECH DEMONSTRATION OR SONY, AND THIS YEAR, ALL WE'RE DOING, DIFFERENT FROM YOU BECAUSE I'M NOT HELPING OUT WXR AND VR STUFF, I'M JUST LOOKING AT PANELS. >> THE PANELS ARE GREAT? >> THE PANELS ARE NOT NUT NEWS WORTHY IS THE THING. THEY MIGHT BE LIKE -- IT'S FORCING US TO THINK ABOUT THINGS, WHICH IS GOOD, BUT NOT IN A WAY THAT WE CAN CRANK OUT COVERAGE ON.

ENGADGET IS ABOUT -- LIKE IF WE DO A PIECE, IT'S MORE LIKE LCs AND TRENDS AND THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT'S NEW THAT IS BEING SAID. HOW ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE? >> YEAH, I'VE DONE SOME. I DID THIS THING CALLED FINDING PAN DID ON RA WHICH WON AWARDS AT THE FILM FESTIVAL. AND IT WAS KIND OF COOL. IT WAS LIKE A LIVE FEEDER THING WHERE I JOINED I BELIEVE IT'S THE VR CHAT APP AND I BASICALLY TOOK A ROLE AS ONE OF THE GREEK CHORUS AND FOLLOWED ALONG AS ZEUS AND HERRA TRIED TO FIND PANDORA'S BOX AFTER PANDORA DIE DOLLARS.

>> THAT WAS CUTE. >> IT WAS FINE. IT WASN'T GROUND BREAKING OR REVOLUTIONARY. I WILL PROBABLY BE WRITING SOMETHING UP ABOUT THIS AND OTHER AR AND VR STUFF I'M SEEING AT THE SHOW. THEY BASICALLY RECREATED DOWNTOWN AUSTIN IN VR FORM, IN ARE CHAT.

SO YOU CAN WALK AROUND AND LOOK AT ART STUFF. YOU CAN LOG ON AND GO WALK AROUND. IT IS A COOL THING, BUT IT IS -- I THINK SOUTH BY IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE SHOWS BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A PERFECT BALANCE OF EVERYTHING. I LOVE MOVIES AND POP CULTURE AND MUSIC AND GAMES AND TECH. LIKE IT'S ALL OF IT AT ONCE.

AND A BIG PART OF THE APPEAL IS WALKING AROUND DOWNTOWN AUSTIN AND MEETING PEOPLE AND SEEING PEOPLE IN PERSON. SO I THINK WITH A TRADITIONAL FILM FESTIVAL, LIKE SUN DANCE, WE WERE ABLE TO REPLICATE QUITE A BIT OF SEEING MOVIES AT HOME. SOUTH BY HAS A LOT OF THAT, TOO. FOR ME, THE REAL VIBE OF SOUTH BY IS JUST THAT, IT'S THE VIBE OF HAPPENING OUT, MAYBE SEEING CELEBRITIES DOWN THE STREET OR SOMETHING AS YOU'RE WALKING TO A BAR OR A PARTY. SO THIS ONE REALLY MAKES ME MISS REAL LIFE.

>> TOTALLY. LIKE THE RANDOM APPEARANCES, TOO. I REMEMBER, AGAIN, THE ONE SOUTH BY THAT I COVERED, YES, THE VIBE IS GREAT. THE FOOD IS AMAZING. I WISH -- WHEN YOU SEE THEY RECREATED DOWNTOWN AUSTIN, I WAS LIKE, OH, MY GOSH, THEY HAD THE FOOD TRUCKS? YEAH.

BUT I LIKE ABOUT THAT COLOR, ELON MUSK JUST APPEARED OUT OF NOWHERE AND HELD A PANEL. OUT OF NO ONE. AND IT'S LIKE, ALL RIGHT, COOL. BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. IT COULD TOTALLY MUCH MORE EASILY HAPPEN.

>> I WILL RANDOMLY POP UP IN CLUBHOUSE NOW AND DO A SOUTH BY PANEL. >> IT WILL BE LIKE, SQUAD, I'M ON CLUBHOUSE TALKING SOUTH BY RIGHT NOW COME ON OVER. AND THEN ALL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ON APPLE CAN'T GET ON. BUT, YEAH, IT'S KIND OF A WASH, UNFORTUNATELY. BUT WE'LL SEE.

BUT I FOUND IT GOOD FOR NETWORKING. SO FAR, I'VE BEEN FINDING INTERESTING PEOPLE. IT WILL HELP MY LONG-TERM REPORTING. >> COOL. ANY OTHER STORIES YOU WANT TO HIT QUICKLY? WE HAVE A BUNCH OF NEWS THIS WEEK AND WE'RE JUST LIKE -- I THINK WE SPENT WAY TOO MUCH TIME ON SAMSUNG AND THEIR DUMB LITTLE EVENT.

>> SO MUCH. >> SO JUST AS A QUICK SHOUT OUT FOR THE YOUTUBE AUDIENCE, WE HAVE A SQUAD COUNTER. COUNTING THE NUMBER OF TIMES WE SAY SQUAD THIS EPISODE. SO GOOGLE ANTI-TRUST -- FROM THE TEXAS ATTORNEY GENERAL, I BELIEVE, A WHILE AGO -- I BELIEVE THAT IT BROUGHT A SUIT ABOUT GOOGLE'S ANTI-COMPETITIVE CONDUCT AND WHAT I BELIEVE WERE MONOPOLISTIC TECHNOLOGY PRACTICES. SO BASICALLY, GOOGLE IS VERY POWERFUL IN ITS AD SALES BECAUSE SEARCH IS EVERYWHERE.

SO TEXAS'S CLAIM WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE -- LIKE THEY'RE BASICALLY PRICING PEOPLE OUT OR FORCING ADVERTISERS TO USE THEIR NETWORK AND KIND OF KILLING THE SMALLER NETWORKS OUT THERE. THIS WEEK, THE NEWS IS THAT THE SUIT HAS BEEN AMENDED TO INCLUDE OR TARGET CHROME'S -- GOOGLE CHROME'S PRIVACY SANDBOX, WHICH I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT IN EARLIER EPISODES OF THE SHOW WHERE GOOGLE IS BASICALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ENABLE AD TRACKING WITHOUT THIRD PARTY COOKIES AND PRIVACY SANDBOX IS A SET OF PROPOSE IDEALS THE COMPANY IS CONSIDERING TO DO THAT. THINGS LIKE FLOCK AND COHORTERS ARE PART OF PRIVACY SANDBOX. IT'S ALMOST INCREMENTAL DEVELOPMENT IN THIS STORY WHICH NOW 15 STATE ATTORNEY GENERALS HAVE BANDED TOGETHER ON THIS SUIT NOW. SO IT'S BECOMING A THING.

BUT IT'S STILL WORTH KNOWING THAT, LIKE WITH W, THE SUIT DOESN'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THE MARKET. THE AMENDMENTS, I THINK ITS TRUE INTENTIONS OF PRIVACY. THE CHANGES HAVE THE CHROME BROWSER FOR TARGETING. WHICH CHROME -- I MEAN, GOOGLE HAS SINCE REFUTED AND TOLD ENGADGET THAT IT'S -- LET ME PULL UP THE ACTUAL WORDING HERE. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S LATEST CLAIMS MISCHARACTERIZE MANY ASPECT OF OUR BUSINESSES INCLUDE THE PRIVACY SANDBOX INITIATIVE TO PROTECT PEOPLE'S PRIVACY AS THEY BROWSE THE WEB.

I -- YEAH, I JUST FEEL LIKE FOR ONCE, GOOGLE IS NOT WRONG. I DON'T THINK PRIVACY SANDBOX REALLY -- I DON'T KNOW. >> YEAH. THIS SEEMS LIKE A GOOD EXAMPLE OF ALSO LEGISLATORS NOT QUITE GETTING THE TECH END CHANGE. BUT WHERE THIS IS GOING ON BE THE LAST THING WE SEE AGAINST GOOGLE FOR SOME TIME, WE'RE SEEING STUFF ALL AROUND THE WORLD AND THIS IS GOOD BECAUSE I DO THINK EVEN IF THESE COUNTRIES ARE MISUNDERSTANDING WHAT GOOGLE IS DOING, IT WILL AT LEAST FORCE GOOGLE TO TRY TO EXPLAIN ITSELF MORE.

SO, YEAH, I WANT COUNTRIES TO BE MORE INVOLVED WITH THIS. I JUST HOPE THEY GET MORE INFORMED WITH HOW THEY DO IT. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> AND I THINK WE CAN SKIP SKIP AMAZON CARE. >> YEAH.

ALL RIGHT. SO DO YOU WANT TO TAKE WORKING ON DEV OR DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THAT? >> SURE, SURE, I'LL DO THAT. SO MOVING ON TO WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON AND WHAT AM I NOT WORKING ON AT THIS POINT? THIS WEEK HAS BEEN KIND OF INSANE. I'VE JUST HAD MULTIPLE REVIEWS GO UP. IN ADDITION TO THE WHERE ARE AD HE ON RXXT, I REVIEWED DELL'S ULTRA WIDE MONITOR.

SO GO CHECK THAT OUT ON THE SITES. I'M WORKING ON MAYBE A REVIEW OF THE ACES ROG-15 WHICH IS A SLIGHTLY BIGGER VERSION OF THE G-14 THAT WE LIKED LAST YEAR. I HAVE IT RIGHT NOW. I JUST LIKE THE LOOK AND FEEL OF IT. EVENTUALLY, I'LL BE WRITING SOMETHING ABOUT THE JUSTICE LEAGUE 1234SNYDER CUT THAT'S DEBUTING ON HBO MAX.

I WISH I HAD TIME TO DEAL WITH IT. >> DID YOU SEE THE TWEETS GOING AROUND ABOUT IT? >> WE KNEW THE ASPECT RATIO. WE KNEW THAT WAS A PROBLEM BECAUSE THAT WAS IN THE TRAILERS. SO THIS IS A WHOLE THING. WE'LL BE TALKING MORE ABOUT THIS.

BUT I AM PERMANENTLY NOT LOOKING FORWARD TO SPENDING FOUR HOURS WATCHING THIS MOVIE. BUT, YEAH, REPORT BACK, FOLKS. LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK OF THE SNYDER CUT JUSTICE LEAGUE. CHERYLYNN, WHAT'S UP WITH YOU? >> PEOPLE KNOW THE ONE PLUS EVENT IS MARCH 23rd. I'LL BE PREPPING FOR THAT AND I AM STILL WORKING ON SOME RESEARCH AND INTERVIEWS THAT I'M DOING.

I DON'T WANT TO GIVE IT AWAY JUST YET BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE SCOOPED. JUST KNOW THAT I'M DOING SOME RESEARCH ON SOME INTERESTING THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE NEXT WEEK. AND THE NEST HUB THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, I SHOULD BE GETTING ONE SOON TO REVIEW. SO, YOU KNOW I'LL BE SLEEPING A LOT. AND, YEAH, ONE PIECE OF ACCESSIBILITY NEWS THAT WAS UNVEILED SORT OF OVERNIGHT, CHROME IS GETTING LIVE CAPTIONS, WHICH I THINK IS A REALLY COOL TOOL.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST A LOT OF PEOPLE -- >> IS IT GOING TO WORK ON ALL VIDEOS? >> AT LEAST THAT'S -- SO WHAT HAPPENED OVERNIGHT IS WE SAW A RELEASE TO THE CHROME CHANNEL THAT BRINGS THE FEATURE. SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OFFICIALS DETAILS JUST YET, BUT I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF WE SAW MORE DETAILS ABOUT THAT. SO I WOULD SAY TO THE NEWS FLASHING. YEAH, THERE WE GO. >> LET'S MOVE ON TO WHAT WE'RE WATCHING AND SOME POP CULTURE PICKS FOR US.

I WANT TO SHOUT OUT RYAN THE LAST DRAGON, WHICH IS A MOVIE I THINK YOU'LL ENJOY, CHERYLLYNN. >> I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR IT. >>> IT'S A $30 RENTAL ON DISNEY PLUS. THIS IS DISNEY'S FIRST SOUTHEAST ASIAN SET STORY OR AT LEAST THE STORY INFLUENCED BY ALL THE CULTURES THERE. RAYA IS BASICALLY A SOUTHEAST ASIAN PRINCESS.

AND THIS MOVIE, IT'S A LOT OF FUN. AND I REALLY ENJOYED IT. IT HAS A LOT OF INFLUENCES FROM AVATAR, THE LAST AIR BENDER AND LEGEND OF A LOT OF MIZUKI FILMS, IT IS AN ADVENTURE STORY. IT IS AN ACTION MOVIE ABOUT A GIRL WHO IS LEARNING TO TRUST OTHER PEOPLE ONCE AGAIN, BUT IT'S ALMOST VERY MUCH LIKE THERE ARE SOME GREAT FIGHTS, SOME GREAT ATH ACTION SCENES. I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEARING YOUR TAKE, CHERYLYNN.

WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN AFTER YOU SEE IT. I FELT LIKE IT'S A MOVIE THAT COULD GO HARDER IN SOME RESPECTS. IT IS NOT THE MOST ORIGINAL THING FROM DISNEY. SOMETHING I'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH -- ON THE SLASH HOME CAD, MY COD CAST, WE TALKED WITH HOI TAMBUI, WHO IS VIETNAMESE, AND SHE TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS DOESN'T RESPECT ANY SPECIFIC SOUTHEAST ASIAN CULTURES. THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A GREAT THING, EITHER, BUT, HEY, IT'S SOMETHING.

AND MY DAUGHTER, SOFIA, LOVED THIS MOVIE, BUT SHE LOVES MOVIES ABOUT TOUGH GIRLS WITH SWORDS, APPARENTLY. SHE IS HER FATHER'S DAUGHTER. YEAH. >> I'LL LET YOU KNOW WHEN I DO WATCH IT WHAT I THINK. I ALREADY HAVE A SENSE THAT THE GUESTS THAT YOU HAD YOU ON YOUR PODCAST WAS PROBABLY RIGHT.

BUT WELL GET TO IT. I JUST WATCHED WALL-E FOR THE FIRST TIME. >> OH, WOW. >> I WAS PRETTY DEPRESSED AT THE START, BUT THEN IT GOT GOOD. BUT THAT'S NOT MY RECOMMENDATION.

THIS WEEK I HAVE WATCH TWO RELATIVELY NEW MOVIES ON NETFLIX. AND THE ONE I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND OF THE TWO IS BOSS LEVEL. HAVE YOU SEEN IT, DEVINDA? >> THAT IS HULU, BUT YES. >> MY BAD. THE TWO MOVIES I SAW WERE ON NETFLIX AND MULU.

HULU, BOSS LEVEL. OF THE TWO I WATCHED, LET'S JUST BE FRANK NOW. I WATCHED "BOSS LEVEL" AND BLANC LEVEL ISLAND SOUND. I HEAR ROTTEN TOMATO'S RATING, BUT LOWER IMBD RATING. BOSS LEVEL WAS MORE CONSISTENTLY SCORED ACROSS THE BOARD OF BOTH IMBD AND ROTEN TOMATOES.

I PREFERRED BOSS LEVEL. >> IT'S A DUMB ACTION MOVIE, YEAH, COME ON, IT'S FUN. >> YEAH, BUT BLOCK ISLAND SOUND IS MORE IN LINE WITH MY TASTES BECAUSE IT'S VERY SCIENCE FICTION AND HORRORY AND SUSPENSY. FRANK GRILLO STARS AS A FORMER MILITARY GUY WHO GETS CAUGHT UP IN A GRAND HOG DAY SCENARIO. >> TIME LOOP.

>> YEAH. OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND HAS TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BREAK OUT OF IT. BUT IT'S A GORY AND FUN VIDEO GAMEY TAKE ON THE GENRE. VERY DIFFERENT FROM THAT KRISTIN -- WHAT IS THE TITLE OF THAT ONE AGAIN? >> PALM SPRINGS FROM LAST YEAR. >> PALM SPRINGS.

VERY DIFFERENT. >> IT'S ALMOST A YEAR AFTER PALM SPRINGS, HULU DEBUTS ANOTHER TIME LOOP MOVIE. >> WHERE WE'RE LIVING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER. >> BUT THIS MOVIE IS A LOT OF FUN. I SAW THIS, TOO, ACTUALLY, A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO.

THEY'RE JUST FUN ACTION. I REALLY LIKE JOE CARNAHAN AS A DIRECTOR, LIKE HE HAS DONE THE A-TEAM REMAKE WHICH NOBODY REALLY LIKED, BUT I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD STUFF IN THERE. AND HE DID THE GRAY WHICH COSTARS LIAM NEESON AND JOE CARNAHAN. I SUGGEST LOOK UP HIS BMW FILM WHICH IS SOMETHING THEY WERE DOING IN THE EARLY 200s TO SHOW OFF BMW CARS AND PARING THEM UP WITH GOOD DIRECTORS. AND IT'S A COOL CHASE LITTLE ACTION SHORT FILM.

THAT IS WORTH CHECKING OUT, TOO. >> SPEAKING OF SHOWS THAT I WATCHED FOR THE FIRST TIME ONLY RECENTLY AND ALSO ACTION SHOWS, I SAW A GIRL WITH A DRAGON TATTOO FOR THE FIRST TIME RECENTLY. >> YOU MEAN THE TV SERIES OR THE MOVIE? >> THE MOVIE. THE AMERICAN VERSION OF THE MOVIE. I WAS REMINDED OVERNIGHT THAT THERE IS A SWEDISH VERSION.

ONE STARRING RUDY MARA. IT WAS HARD TO WATCH AT TIMES, BUT REALLY, REALLY GOOD. >> YEAH. >> IN THE MYSTERY. IN TERMS OF THE MYSTERY.

THERE ARE PARTS OF IT THAT ARE HARD TO WATCH BUT, ANYWAY -- >> ANYWAY -- >> THESE ARE ALL THINGS YOU CAN WATCH IF YOU WANT TO RELAX FROM THE DEPRESSING NEWS -- >> I DON'T KNOW IF THE GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO IS THE ONE -- >> MAYBE BOSS LEVEL. >> BOSS LEVEL IS FUN. >> AND THEN MAYBE BOSS LEVEL IS LIKE A NICE EMOTIONAL CORE WHICH IS SOMETHING JOE CARNAHAN DOES REALLY WELL. ACTION, EMOTION, IT'S GOOD. >> SO, YEAH, THAT'S IT.

>> I'LL DO THE ALTRERO AND THEN AT THE -- >> OH, WAIT, DO YOU WANT TO SHOUT OUT THE INTERVIEWS? >> YEAH. DO WE WANT TO SHOUT OUT THE -- >> LET'S SAVE THAT FOR THE END. >> SO WE DO THE OUTRO AND THEN THE SETUP FOR THE INTERVIEWS. >> OKAY. >> THAT'S IT FOR OUR SHOW THIS WEEK, FOLKS.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. OUR THEME MUSIC IS BY GAME COMPOSER DALE NORTH. OUR OUTRO MUSIC IS BY TERRENCE O'BRIEN. THE PODCAST IS PRODUCED BY BEN ELLMAN. CHIENL FIND CHERYLYNN ONLINE AT -- >> IF YOU WANT TO ACCEPTED ME CARTOON RECOMMENDATIONS, I'M AT CHERYLYNNLOW@TWITTER.

>> AND I'M DEVINDA HARDWAR. SEE US ON iTUNES AND SUBSCRIBE TO ANYTHING THAT GETS PODCAST INCLUDING SPOTIFY. TAKE STUND AT THE END OF THIS EPISODE. I'LL BE CHAT, FIDEI ALVAREZ DIRECTOR OF CALLS AND CHERYLYNN, YOU'RE CHATTING WITH ROBERT KIRKLAND. >> SO TALK ABOUT HIS ANIMATED SERIES, "INVINCIBLE" ON AMAZON.

>> WHAT DO YOU WANT TO CUE UP FIRST? >> I MEAN, WHICHEVER ORDER -- >> CHERYLYNN'S FIRST. >> I'LL JUST SAY THAT AND SAY GOOD-BYE. >> OKAY. >> WE'LL START WITH CHERYLYNN'S INTERVIEW AND THAT'S IT FOR NOW, FOLKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> AND NOW YOURS. >> AND NOW ON TO MY CHAT WITH FEDII ALVAREZ, THE DIRECTOR OF CALLS ON APPLE TV PLUS. >> OKAY. COOL. >> ALL RIGHT.

>> SO IF YOU WANT TO TALK FOR -- >> OH. >> A LITTLE -- A FEW MORE MINUTES. >> I AM NOW LOOKING AT THE CHAT AND THE PEOPLE ARE THROWING OUT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO THEMSELVES. SO, FIRST OF ALL, CHRIS TURNER, YOU WERE AWESOME. YOU WERE AWESOME.

THANK YOU. NOT US. YOU ARE AWESOME. >> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE EXPANSION JUST LAST WEEK. >> YEP.

I FINISHED. I'M ALL CAUGHT UP. THAT SHOW IS REAL GOOD. >> RED CLIFF, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M THINKING OF THE SAME MOVIE -- >> THE JOHN WYNN MOVIE? RED CLIFF SERIES, WHICH WAS FINE. IT'S NOT GREAT.

>> OKAY. LET'S -- DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU BANKED, BEN? >> NO. YOU KNOW, MOSTLY LIKE WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, LIKE -- WHAT IS IT, THE CHROME SECURITY SANDBOX AND STUFF AND, LIKE, SOME PEOPLE LIKE DMAN WERE LIKE, I TRY TO USE BING AND EDGE AND IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, ANYWAY. >> BING IS SO BAD, GUYS. BING IS NOT GREAT.

>> I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A JOKE, BUT WHO KNOWS. >> EDGE IS ACTUALLY PRETTY GOOD AS A BROWSER. I USE THAT AS MY WORK BROWSER FOR ALL MY WORK ACCOUNTS. BUT BING -- AND I HAVE TALKED TO PEOPLE AT MICROSOFT. I'M LIKE, GUYS, WHY WOULD I SEARCH FOR SOMETHING ON BING? IT NEVER GETS ME THE THING I ACTUALLY WANT.

THEY'RE LIKE, NO, NO, WE SPENT YEARS CULTIVATING OUR ALGORITHM TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS REALLY WELL. AND I'M LIKE, NO, GOOGLE GETS ME WHAT I WANT IMMEDIATELY. I HAVE TO GO TO THE THIRD PAGE OF BING TO SEARCH FOR AN ARTICLE ON ENGADGET. >> THAT'S PARTLY BECAUSE I THINK SITES OPTIMIZE FOR GOOGLE. >> THEY SHOULD KNOW THIS.

MICROSOFT SHOULD KNOW THIS. >> THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE. I SAW A QUESTION I THINK JOSH SUKDIVA ASKED CAN ANYONE JUSTIFY 18 GIGS OF RAM IN THE ACES ROCK PHONE? >> YEAH, NO, THAT'S GARBAGE. I SAW THAT STORY GO UP AND I WAS JOKING WITH OUR HONG KONG EDITOR THAT ARE THEY JOKING? THAT IS A JOKE HEADLINE BECAUSE COMPUTERS DON'T EVEN NEED 18 GIGABYTES OF RAM. WHAT ARE YOU DOING? I HAVE 32 IN THIS DESKTOP AND I AM HAPPY WITH THAT.

THE MOST I'VE EVER HAD. >> SO CHRIS TURNS ALSO SAYS, I WONDER IF CLOUSE BASED HIGH PERFORMANCE WORKSTATIONS WILL EVER TANK OFF. OBVIOUSLY, BANDWIDTH IS IMPORTANT, BUT THE IDEA OF HIGH PERFORMANCE ON THE BACK END FROM ANY DEVICE IS INTERESTING. CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, THAT IS KIND OF WHAT GOOGLE IS TRYING TO DO WITH ITS -- >> THAT'S WHAT ALL THE GAME STREAMING SERVICES ARE ARE TRYING TO DO. >> IT'S ALL CLOUD GAMING, RIGHT? >> I GET IT, YOU CAN ACCESS -- LIKE YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE YOUR DOCUMENTS ON, YOU KNOW, ANY COMPUTER.

YOU CAN GO TO GOOGLE DRIVE. >> THAT'S PAFRT OF IT, BUT THEY'RE ASKING ABOUT POWER. THEY'RE ASKING ABOUT RAW PROCESS. >> PROCESSING, WHICH IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. >> WELL, THAT MAKES SENSE OPINION IMAGINE YOU'RE TRYING TO RENDER SOMETHING AND YOUR PERSONAL WORKSTATION MIGHT BE ABLE TO RENDER IT IN HOURS OR, YOU KNOW, THE BETTER PART OF A DAY WHERE CLOUD-BASED MIGHT KNOW ABLE TO -- THAT GETS INTO, LIKE -- >> PEOPLE DO THAT.

>> THEY OBVIOUSLY PRICE THINGS CRAZILY, THOUGH. IT'S LIKE, OKAY, I WANT THIS CINEMA 4D THING RENDZERRING. >> THE HARD PART IS GETTING THE HUGE FILES OVER THE CLOUD SYSTEM. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING PEOPLE DO ALREADY. PEOPLE RENT OUT CLOUD MACHINES TO RENDER STUFF.

MAYBE EVENTUALLY WE'LL HAVE MORE WORKLOAD FOR THAT. WHEN I WAS IN I. T. , THE IDEA WAS MAYBE YOU WOULD HAVE THIS LITTLE BOX THAT WAS JUST LIKE A MONITOR AND IT WOULD GO OUT TO CITRIX SERVER AND ALL OF THAT WORK WAS BEING HANDLED ON A BOX SOMEWHERE ELSE IN YOUR COMPANY OR SCHOOL. THAT NEVER PANNED OUT BECAUSE LOCAL PROCESSING GOT SO GOOD.

YOU DON'T NEED TO DO ALL THAT EXTRA WORK. THEN WHEN YOU NEED MORE -- MAYBE WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE OF THAT. I THINK THIS DECADE WITH CLOUD STREAMING AND CLOUD STREAMING APPS AT NTB, THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO CHANGE THE WAY PEOPLE GAME. I HOPE. THERE IS A LOT OF POTENTIAL THERE.

>> SO DANIEL SAYS BING GIVES ME REWARDS FOR SEARCHING SO I CAN USE IT TO BUY FREE STUFF. >> YEAH. THEY'RE PAYING YOU, YEAH, TO USE BING. >> GOOGLE ALSO PAYS YOU IF YOU DO THE SURVEY APP. >> FAT PRODUCE SAYS WHAT AUDIO TECH DO YOU ALL STILL USE TODAY? >> NONAUDIO -- >> A HALF MILLIMETER -- A HALF MILLIMETER HEAD PHONE JACK.

>> OR GRAMOPHONES. NOT GRAMOPHONES, BUT TURNTABLE THINGS. >> GRAMOPHONES. NONSMART MOBILE DEVICES. >> THE BEST STUFF IS -- AND THEY MENTIONED AUDIO BECAUSE MICROPHONES AND WHATNOT LAST FOREVER.

>> RIGHT. HIGH FIVE SYSTEMS ARE ALSO. I DON'T KNOW. >> THE ALARM CLOCK OR SOMETHING. >> MAYBE OUR FID.

>> THERE IS. >> THE GARAGE DOORS HAVE ALSO -- THERE ARE WAY TOES MAKE IT SMART. IT'S SOMETHING EVERYBODY THINKS ABOUT. I JUST LIKE THE BASIC -- MY HOUSE, I JUST HIT A COUPLE OF BUTTONS AND THE DOOR OPENS UP. OF.

>> REALLY QUICK, CHUNG BRYANT NICHEL, WE HAVE A VIEWER FROM AFGHANISTAN. ALSO HELLO OBVIOUSLY TO OUR REGULARS. SOME OUR OUR REGULARS. YEAH, DEV, JOSH -- >> THAT WAS ASKING A BUNCH OF REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS. LIKE ARE Y'ALL MIKE OR TRACK BALL USERS? >> NOBODY IS A TRACK BALL USER.

THEY DON'T EXIST. >> I HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC IDEA WHO IS A DARK BALL USER. PEOPLE WHO WHO ARE VERY GOOD AT MAKING MUSIC ARE ALL TRACK BALL USERS. >> SURE. >> LIKE EVERY PRODUCER THAT I'VE EVER KNOWN, LIKE PERSONALLY, THE PERSON WHO TAUGHT ME, LIKE, MUSIC STUDIO PRODUCTION WAS A TRACK BALL MOUSE USER.

MOST OF THE VIDEO GAME COMPOSERS I HAVE EVER SEEN ARE TRACK BALL USERS. I THINK THAT IS THE MARK OF THE MASTER USING A TRACK BALL. >> IT'S THE TACTILITY AND THE CONTROL YOU GET FROM IT. ARE THERE TOUCH INTERFACES, RIGHT? OR OTHER WAYS TO GET SOME OF THAT CONTROL TO -- I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE DO IT. TRACK BALLS ARE GOOD.

>> YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE SOMETHING LIKE A WACOM OR SOMETHING. JURY-RIG THINGS TOGETHER LIKE THAT. BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYONE USE THAT. I THINK IT WOULD BE INTERESTING. I SEEM TO REMEMBER -- I'M NOT GOING TO REMEMBER THE BRANDS NAME.

BUT THERE IS A BIG, LIKE, TOUCH SCREEN PANEL THAT I'VE SEEN SOME PEOPLE USED FOR MUSIC PRODUCTION. I SAW IT IN, LIKE, STEVE AOKI'S STUDIO OR SOMETHING. >> AND NOW EVERYBODY IS USING THOSE, I CAN IMAGINE THOSE -- ARE THEY -- ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, LIKE, THE THINGS PEOPLE USE FOR DRUM MACHINES AND SALES? >> YEAH, LIKE MPCs. YOU MIGHT EVEN CALL THAT RETROTECH BY NOW. >> PRETTY MUCH RETROTECH.

>> I CAN IMAGINE PUTTING LIKE A TRACK PAD ON THAT. TRACK PAD FOR DIRECT CONTROL OF CERTAIN THINGS ON THAT. BUT, ANYWAY, THIS IS A TERRENCE CONVERSATION. >> ONE NAME THAT I SAW ON OUR LIVE STREAM THAT SHOWED UP HERE ON OUR LIVE CHAT TODAY, TOO, IS ICHO URI SAID HELLO. COME BACK EVERY WEEK.

IT WILL BE FUN. >> AND BE SURE TO SUBSCRIBE, FOLKS. THIS CROWD HERE, EVEN IF YOU'VE LISTENED TO THE SHOW, IT WOULD BE SUPER HELPFUL IF YOU PLEASE SUBSCRIBE, PLEASE. OUR VIEWS. THE SHOW NEEDS VIEWS.

>> FOR SOFIA. AND, YOU KNOW, YESTERDAY WE GOT A NEW SUBSCRIBER. DVDB, I BELIEVE, SUBSCRIBED TO THE ENGADGET YOUTUBE CHANNEL. SO SHOUT OUT AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR SUBSCRIBING. >> ALL THIS STUFF IS HELPFUL.

IT CONVINCES EVERYBODY TO SAY, HEY, MAYBE WE SHOULD KEEP THIS AROUND BECAUSE PEOPLE LOVE HEARING US TALK ABOUT TECH. >> YEAH. >> OKAY. SO -- >> IF WE HAVE A BIT OF A PAUSE, I MEAN, I THINK WE CAN'T NOT TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE ASIAN AMERICAN PACIFIC ISLAER COMMUNITY. I THINK IF Y'VE SEEN THE NEWS RECENTLY AT ALL, YOUILL HEAR ABOUT THE SHOOTING AND THE - I DON'T EN HAVE THE WORDS REALLY TOESCRIBE FULLYHAT HAPPENED, BUT THERE WERE -- I CAN'T REMBER WHAT THE EXACT NUMBER THAT IS REPORTED, IT'S EITHE SIX OR EIGHT.

THEM WERE ASIAN WOMEN ORHAT IT >> YEAH. >> BUT, YEAH, BEING KILLEDVER IN ATLANTA, I BELIEVE. AND ALSO JUST THEPATE OF HATE CRIMES AGAINST ASIAN AMERICANS IN SAN FRANCISCO AND BASICALLY D ALL OVER THIS COUNTRY. SO JUST WANTED TO SAY HEY, IF YOU'RE NOT THERE, IT'S HAPPENING. >> PLEASE BE AWE.

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IF YOU WANT T HEAR MORE ON TWITTER. BUT WE'RE OUTF TIME. IT'S EN A LONGAY ALREADY. >> IT'S BEEN -- IT HAS BEEN A LONG WEEK. SO LET'S DO THAT.

THANANK U TO OUR VIDEO TEAM. IT'S POWERED BY ERYONE IN THE CHAT. I'M ESPECIALLY HAPPY THATEOPLE IN THE CHAT ARE EMPATHIZING WIT US BECAUSE WEOULDN'T LETET THIS STREAM END WITHOUT ADDRESSING THIS REALLY HORRIFIC SITUATION.. IFOU STUCK AROUND, RATE THE SHOW. IT.

KN, WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WE LIVE IN A WORLD OF ALGORITHMS. WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. LATER. T WEEKS, FOLKS. >> THANK YOU, EVERYONE.

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