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A touch of your fingerprints, secure, fast and no password to remember for a limited time, get a free, $300 gift card with purchase visit a Microsoft store near you today. All right welcome into the pocket now weekly when it comes to the need for speed I'm, not talking about blackberry here, we're talking about OnePlus, then again, we are talking about blackberry, because this week black guy thinks it has introduced a new interface paradigm. That removes one Android scrape from this experience. Interior also, will this new hardware a combination on the key to really still deliver to day battery life as its predecessor did? We have our questions we'll try to get some answers for you, plus WWDC 2018 happening on Tuesday. So we'll give you a quick lowdown of what we think the biggest takeaways are ZTE is out of the front pan and into the fire, but Qualcomm and right I've had their own Squat ch was in the pool. This weekly chat with Jaime Rivera and our good friend of the show Andrew Wallace on this episode, 308 of the pocket and weekly recorded at 7:04 p.

m. Eastern Time on June. The 8th. This podcast is about all the mobile technology that you can care to dream about. Ever since we were kids, smartphones tablets, smartwatches tablets, everything that you can ever like.

It may be benign like a button or two that just magically proves out whatever you want, and one has already or 35 buttons or 35 your we're talking about keys, though keys are different from buttons, anyways I am Jules Wong or the hosts of the pocket. Math weekly, also news editor here, I am joined, as you can probably tell by Hyman Rivera multimedia manager, who is sitting about what 10 feet I have a three-year low I. Do we're going to sit where in the town 49, which is a wheat workspace, and she has the party, let's open area kind of my favorite spot I mean it's great. I mean I'm kind of a little worried about them. Jules is right.

There yeah well I mean look at my content. It's just like it's dingy, there's this light over here that this is Nick sense for some reason: anyways putting it all aside for just a second, we have our friend, as we have said for the past couple of years, Andrew Wallace produce on Twitter, hello to you, hello, guys boy you get! This is a heck of an exciting week for news and hardware, and software yeah I'm pretty excited to be here with you guys, thanks for having me no joy intentions to be a problem I'm just trying to make up for words as we go along here, as we have a quite bad show in itself. I'll try to get through it as quickly as possible because we, like conciseness here, I, think the best way to start this off is by explaining to people how that they you the listener. The viewer can participate in all of this craziness and I think Jaime Rivera. You should be the one to do that job.

Why should I be the person to do that? Job Jules started an Instagram story, but Instagram stories on Android. This is all in vivo folks, yeah, no I can't even tell this thing is recording already, but for those of you that don't know you can join the podcast start. The conversation at podcasts at pocketnow. com use the hashtag key and weekly as well have I forgotten anything Jules and I apologize yeah, we're also on Instagram pocket now and Instagram is on Jaime Rivera, JE IME Rivers today, everyone's here everyone's on Instagram everyone's on the socials, but we're all here right now to talk about the BlackBerry key to the launch event was just yesterday: I was there how it was there, and we actually got a little pretty put on care about to notice. So, let's get into the specs of this thing.

You're talking about snapdragon 616 here with six gigs around standard, a podcast big deal to bring that up from the three gigs on the key one: 64 128 storage for now, I'm overlooking important points here, because we're talking about blackberry phone, we're talking about a p1 successor and that means bring back that 3 by 2 display or is that 4 by 3 4 by 3 yeah get that aspect region right, and then you make room for all that with the 35 Zeke or is it 36 now 35? Is it still 35 yeah 35 we're not, not mean I'm trying to get in the speed key I'm trying to reference? That is that, like a bonus, was that last year's 30 I'm trying to remember what it was before I'm, just the spec sheet, says 35 what go for it. I was looking at it and didn't the key one have the shift on, but either side I don't have the t2 the t1 with me, because I thought it had to shift on both sides, but it looks like they replaced the shift with that second button that will get to you, because I was sure it had it on both sides. I thought so David Logan hears from their lockers here by the way, just he's looking at the spec sheet of GSM arena, and it's a three by two aspects: ratio according to a good guy, didn't get my freaking math right. Okay, scared for a second I, don't remember what the other key was, but I don't know for me, regardless of what the usage was. The concept with the speed key is probably what I like to post, and so, if we're talking key to probably one of the main reasons ahead, I've read a lot of the comments over at the hands-on over.

Why is the key to the phone that I'm looking forward to using the most, and it's funny, because most people are making the concept of? Oh? It doesn't have a call, come snapdragon, 845 or this, and that, and it's priced not very aggressively, but the main reason is that I guess it's the phone that I can make mine the most of you think about it, like that called concept of being able to program all the keys on that keyboard. I know, particularly what the letter A is going to dial, what the letter G is gonna, dial and yeah, and that speed key, allowing me to be able to do it from whichever app I'm in because I'd that I fat I found that really annoying with the key one yeah to the home. The home screen goes for it yeah. Let's explain what the speed key is. So it's on the bottom right of the phone I wish I could show you with a screen capture, or it depends on me.

We had them yesterday, just watch the hands-on it's there yeah, but in any case to speak, key locator, lower right and instead of have, until they go through the home, screen more of a multitask, pane to like scroll through and find whatever else or maybe again like you haven't. Even so, you have to go through the afterward to get to that app. Well, if you already have assigned the app that you want sure cut via just for the keyboard and whatever you can hold down on the speed key and a tap on the key that corresponds with that app, and then you get in any save yourself. A couple screams a lot of swiping and there sit talking about. This is a shift in paradigm in terms of they had reviews, experience, yeah, so I wonder yeah go ahead! For me, it's crucial I! You know I mock how much it takes for you to make a phone call on an iPhone.

I mocked the whole concept of how difficult it is you can't program widgets to dial phone numbers, so literally, what you're left with is you have to go into the dialer, look for the contact and then dial go into the contact card and then dial we're asked what the key to all you'll have to do is speed key and whatever letter you've set for that particular favorite contact of yours, and it just makes the process so easy, I care about those things. It's funny it's funny. When you know many manufacturers are using phrases like oh, but nobody makes phone calls any more like I'm. Sorry, the fact that the smartphone demographic has grown so much over time and that most of that demographic doesn't make as much phone calls doesn't mean that people make fewer calls it's just one of the things that the majority of smartphone users do the least, but bear in mind if you grab the graphic, and you left the same amount of people that were making phone calls 10 years ago to the ones that are today. Obviously, there was a lot less population using smartphones.

So many years ago, so phone calls wasn't a thing. So sorry phone calls was more of a thing, but I make as many phone calls today, as I did before so I, like the concept of having an easy way to jump in and out to whatever I wanted, there's, and there are so many clients to so many mentioned messaging clients that we get between what's happening out of all these things, because they're one's growing up in a different ecosystem and everyone else is just like okay. So how do we do that? It's so hard to switch between these things, I'm just even having the apps installed? That's all that's already a hobby, the process, Andrew I'm wondering about you and how you feel about the speed key I really am excited by it, because potentially I mean I'm a guy where I just have a pretty much a bare-bones home screen layout where I just have you know the home screen with my icon. You know with my icons and apps that I wanted. The second one is.

The second page is just a giant widget for my calendar. At this point, you could pretty much conceivably not even have to use your home screen in this traditional way that you would, because you have, if you aside, you're, really methodical, and you assign everything that you're going to normal use. Every day, you've pretty much got that at your fingertips, and then you can just kind of have that as an additional display for whatever extra stuff you like a concept phone. Imagine like you, start off with just a browser, and then you find a setting zap man. You just have to sign everything.

A key of course like the uphill challenge, is going to be hard, but I think at least some people are gonna, be very, very happy I, like the concept of a home screen, because for me, it's a bird's-eye view to the things I care about, so I care a lot about things funny, but I care a lot about things like the weather. Thank care. A lot about my calendar. People make fun of my home screen and video reviews, but it's just not going to change I've been using that layout since back in the HTC touch days. You know that whole and that's if people don't remember, but that was like the first phone that came up with the whole concept of having a large widget with your combined widget and then and then, if you remember back in the days of Windows Mobile, you could put your calendar below that in your home screen.

You can put your tasks after that and I love birds I've for me, having a quick for me having an icon for quick access to a particular app is actually these are things that I actually avoid. That's the reason why I have them all in folders, I'm. If I force myself to have an extra stuff to go into these apps, because a lot of these apps are desiring to suck me in and not. Let me be productive, and so I even ask these guys from blackberry I'm. Like guys, can you guys just bring back the old home screen concept that you had where if you remember the days? Well, you probably don't Jules, but back in the days of the blackberry pearl, you were, you were -.

You have to stretch your arm, but I loved. The concept of that, having my calendar, having the things I care about, so I asked them. Is there a way for us to I mean who says that the current launcher on Android is necessarily the best idea like instead of having widgets I, would love to have like a sort of like today like a today street, which is what Windows Mobile had MMM? That's what Windows Mobile had it wasn't a home screen. It was called it today, scream I love that concept, and for me that was like the easiest way to remain focused on the things that I cared about and not focused on apps right well, on speaking of the home screen I know on the key one. This was the case and I.

Don't think they ever really addressed this. You can't you still, cannot you, can you? Can you still not use the shortcut keys if you're using a custom launcher then? Because that's, that's one thing where, like you know, I'm the guy who quit always has Nova Launcher on everything? Yes, oh and that's one of the unfortunate things that they were saying about the key one as far as the software, you couldn't really do that and I even reached out at the time to the Nova dev team, and they said that they weren't really what they weren't. They had a lot of other things on their priority than making you know compatibility for that. He wasn't sold more than Blackberry expected, but it didn't sell like hide. What it was very mission.

Is its a very niche product I mean I, wasn't expecting it to self crazy, but it's funny I mean the other day there was in Google I/o. Last year it was Joshua, Verger, Michael, Fisher, Neural, and I'm, trying to remember two other people that were at that event, and they were all carrying a key one mm-hmm it that just gives you an idea of how big the key one was, at least for us reviewers, because what do we reviewers care about? We care about? We have to lead to a lot of email. Sadly, we do a lot of content consumption, sure it wasn't the best for content consumption, but the battery life was just so epic. It was the perfect phone for trade shows mmm-hmm. It was the perfect phone for trade shows.

Well, it's probably good too, because being a product, a Productivity focused device like as far as contacting gumption, it kind of with that small it with that type of screwed that small on the screen and that offset like it's kind of nice for not tempting you into just being in the phone forever yeah. Basically, yeah I. You know, we've even noticed that what is that, so I even like, like, for example, concepts, are on Android II and that began on Android, B and now iOS 12, where they're trying to push for users to be aware of how much they're on their phones I like that whole concept of having a product, that's actually not necessarily about being away from my phone, but to a certain degree in facilitating strange asks for the phone to be available to me. But for me to focus on other things, you know not to be just about playing Candy Crush yeah Andrew says like on the Twitter's here, not champion weekly autohotkey prepared direct haha. No I know how to do that.

This is a window spirit that basically allowed you to do the shortcuts for any key press that you do on Windows and I know that YouTuber Tom Scott was able to manage like doing just an emoji keyboard where it is like he plugged into 12 keyboards and every one of them put out for king emoji at the time that was available, and they had you know skin modifier. So you know just press the like, whatever tone they have along with the person you need them like I mean there's a bunch of stuff that Android could be using business, and it's a new form factor tools. It gives people choice. I said it in my review, who is a active sorry in my review of my hands-on video. Actually, what I said was act was actually repeating what the presenter was saying during our briefing the fact that they're not rushing to follow the same trend where everybody's, adding not just to their phones and everybody, is stretching 18 by 9 aspect ratio, I, love that we have a counter product that gives people a choice because a lot of these design choices like the case of the notch sure I, will say it and I will repeat it.

I prefer notch to bezels I agree with it. If that's what I have to deal with for right now, fine I'll deal with it. What I, but it that doesn't necessarily mean that that's the only corn-factor we have. We have an operator system designed to be moldable to whatever you want people even boast over the fact that Android is free, AAA and whatever, and yet the OEMs are not being unique, they're actually just following each other. Like seriously, you get the iPhone 10 launching with a notch and then how many phones have launched with a notch all year.

Yes, one plus six, the're one of the're one of those examples. Yeah one, it seems like we have four kind of like I'm there's the well there's the mainstream that we always see, which is what everyone's kind of going for we've got. The gaming enthusiast sort of devices we're sitting on the razor phone in the yeah Asus one, and then we've got the key with the key one and key to sort of blackberry. You know and caduceus ones, and then we've got. You know that ZTE axon, the dual screen sort of thing, but those are such a bad phone.

It was bad yeah. It was such a bad, so it was good when I saw it in the briefing I was looking forward to it, and then they sent me in the unit, and they sent me two units. Actually there were issues with both, and I was like no, so yeah no I like, for example, the cases of gaming phones in the case of the key to I. Might okay. So my biggest complaint with the key one aside from The Machinist of the keys, was because it was just such a steep learning curve to go back to the concept of using an actual keyboard that, for me, was difficult than its own and then the keyboard wasn't really comfortable to use.

But then the second thing was that the unit that I used was the three gigabyte of RAM. It wasn't until eventually, if they sent me the four gig black variant, and so oh my god, launching that camera or taking a photo was very slow. It was good for everything else, but I do care about my photos. I do care about taking good photography, and so I mean now that we're going to have the snapdragon 7 7 Series I would even wonder if the company would be willing to launch another variant. Obviously, I have to test this one out.

If the camera launches fast, then I don't care, you know, I'm, not going to do 4k at 60 on a phone. That's just that I do it for certain particular usage scenarios and then I, it's very hard to find a good Android phone. That does that, and so you know those are the things where these are the things that I care about I care about a phone. That's all that I don't have to worry about battery and anxiety. Yes, I mean you talk about battery anxiety, let's just face it.

So we're dealing with a new processor. The great thing about last year was that that Specter at 625, which we think was already proven even before the key one to be a great battery efficient processor, all the stuff in it just happened to work out so that thirty-five hundred million battery really did last weekend. Oh, it was the best phone for that, like it was the trade show phone. It was literally the trade show phone. One thing I was wondering because I was one thing: I was a little disappointed with the key one and I.

Don't I'm not sure if this was a processor limitation, but the lack of raw support on the camera, because you know you'd think that with was especially something with a, gives you a little more wiggle room. I would feel like when being able to make your photos, look nice, especially if you're doing something in and something that's not quite gonna, be great lighting for something. That's like a mid-range or sort of camera. You think, did you? Are you able to speak to or just I think it has a lot to do like, for example, you have to understand a lot of the capabilities like super slo-mo is a Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 thing, and it's actually not even the 960 frames per second at 720p the clock, the Snapdragon 820 5 is only capable of 480 480 frames per second at 70? The rest is a play they do with with with Ram interlacing yeah. It's the reason why, in the case of the one plus six, you can only do what the processor can do, but you can do it for a full minute, whereas on the galaxy s 9 plus, you can only do it for 20 seconds and so a lot of those things like 4k video at 60 that type of video.

All of these things are actually a processors' thing. I am not I would lie if I would say that raw photos are as well. It's I, don't know I, but I believe that will most likely be the case. And now this phone has a ton of RAM. So who knows because the ISP does help me: it's vastly improved from the prior generations in the six series, with that new cry, an architecture that they're using, but again I'll have to see with that battery, because this is our first time.

So she with that cry architecture instead of like that year, magic that was brought about yeah. Do you want to bring up software while we have the chance with a lovely ? I'm a hero, maybe um? We were making fun of odd because you know, like all my friends that were on TV ever got and now how many active users there still are with EDM and what the demographics of where in the world they are there yeah again they're talking about internationals, are talking about Latin, America or even Eastern Europe as well. So it's those odd places that they keep up the service for it's just well, I mean we've all other buzz. We've all moved on to face booking in surgery to more data intensive, more hot, like you know, stickers and look at those things. I mean BBM served its purpose.

I've been talking about this with that Danny would use Time Square rooftop, but, and it was like BlackBerry's success in the consumer market between 2005 and 2009 was purely accidental. We still had QWERTY keyboards that actually went with the familiar layout instead of like a cute thing, with the key one where it's all squared out, and I was not able to get along at all. Squared don't get me wrong man, but phones were perfect about communication yeah exactly, and that was when the communication was being you know, being made accessible to every unto more teens and those people at a wider. You know basis and with more features BPM and get more features at the time so yeah, and now it's pyramid, we're kind of past that age. For me, I, guess this would be the speaking of software again.

I had a good conversation with people or blackberry INRI. You know, I made the comment. This would be like the only phone that I would actually like for a nut manufacturer to skip because if it's not designed to be an Android phone to a certain degree. It's designed to follow on a different mentality, but you know there's a lot of disconnect between the whole user interface. That's touch oriented and the keyboard, and so it was one of those things where I was like shoot like I would actually like.

If you could, if you could again, if you could give me something like a today screen where the home screen is different, I get the option. If I want to switch back to your typical, a screen, then fine. Whatever the case, you know it's. It's I like the software, because it's minimalistic I like the software, because it's nearly stock I love the fact that I could launch applications by simply sliding up. For me, that's great, but then I feel that there I still feel that there's a disconnect concerning features that I wish were better well, what's going to happen when it with Android P and all the gesture support and the new thing at the bottom? Because that's one big question: Mastiff Keys, doesn't it? Yes, that's gonna, be a nightmare I mean especially with the fast-track support from Hong Kong, but it's optional that gesture layout is optional on Android.

That's the thing! That's good! That's that's! Good! MMM! Well, I'd love to see just more that gesture baked in just because I mean gosh. If I was going to be using, if I'd probably just be using the keyboard to swipe around I. Don't know I, don't know, I feel that I feel that a third iteration of the key, probably the key three I- would love for them to tinker a little with the software a little further and come up with something unique of extra space. Well I mean there's always hope that Blackberry will clean things as much as the cleaner outside our facilities. Here is clearing things up good out here.

Doing that right now want to give some dude notice to the software for the enterprise side, because of course this is an Android interpret recommended for enterprise I, don't remember the freaking, it's like it gets here. Yeah, I think the average consumer doesn't care, I care, but I mean but I, just like things like, for example, the fact that if the camera launches or the microphone is listening, the phone will tell you right now. Android doesn't, and we've had so many cases where the other day we were with Logan. We were I forgot what we were talking about, but it was like a Star Wars movie, that's very old. Nothing in theory was listening in and then the first YouTube video that I loved that when I launched the YouTube app the first video that popped up at the top was a video of that movie that we were talking about.

That was creepy that was really creepy, and so for me, it's like okay. Yes, give me that key to now. Yes, you know if it was one of those II walk movies, then it's going to be even more creepy. Oh my god yeah. He has found many of these movies secured folder we're talking about securing certain apps or files with a passcode I.

Don't know what took them so long. I mean that's a simple, well I mean wow, wow I did the software was I, think the first company to do that, and you know the galaxies since the note a do it I think or notes. No, no seven in some ways, they're catching up in some ways. What they're already I mean again, hardly top there's a hearted last whatever that particularly means but doing their pulling up all the stops to make sure that's. This is something that a business person or someone with trade secrets or whatever can use safely and securely and just feel like it and also I, don't know about the price of a fairly affordable price.

I mean we're talking about now healing deployments.649 us I'm. Sorry that price is off yeah. Well, it's like they did didn't they. You know the key. One was priced that like five hundred something by fifty and so-and-so here's the thing when I was briefed on the key one.

One of the premises for the price tag had many had a lot to do with the fact that these phones were bought for by enterprise companies, and so enterprise doesn't buy just one phone. They buy a hundred, and so they were pricing it at that segment, mainly because they wanted to make it easy for the enterprise to buy the phone. If you remember a man back in the old days, no, you don't choose, but probably you Andrew back in the day of the blackberries that the old ones like there were all prices from 200 bucks up until like. If you wanted to get the full bone blown Bowl there was, you know, yeah $7.99, do you know the identity thief I mean one ya know they had the curve they had the pearl. They had so many variants that made it easy right now.

Blackberry doesn't have any entry level options so that it's a tough sell, I feel 650 is too much for this one. Well, would you say that some older I guess there are over a little over a year and hold now the older DEC ones would count as their entry, but like their blackberry motion, is not being sold here in the state's actually have a unit and I. You know it's one of the main reasons why I didn't do it, so I know the problem is hey, we've I mean the keyboard should be. They should come up with like a key. They should, they need to post something out.

That said at the four hundred dollar price tag, honestly I think they should still sell the key one. That's it that's a good, that's a good point. If they could save money on retooling, if they keep the key one, the 4 gigabyte variant, I, don't recommend the three ladies, but the 4 gigabyte area was good, that, for me, would be it. Yeah agreed indeed, so with all that I think if I think that's a same conclusion, do you have something a little more to share in terms of wrapping this up? I'm good yeah, all right? Well, then, hi Marie Rivera, thank you for joining us. For the time being, I mean I could stay for ten minutes more knowledge, it.

Okay, all right! Well, and if you want to learn more from my member air about this key to, then you can totally check out our YouTube page for the full Ensnarling. Well, alright, in the meantime and I think it is time to get to some more news from the week, and here we start off with ZTE, coming out of a long three-month long tunnel getting through to that imports. Man being crushed and well they're, now green tubes on the strict oral, the strictest settlements, from seven terms with the US Congress, the'll start off with they're paying an extra billion dollars in addition to four hundred million dollars as collateral for just being able to source parts from the US again lock out the market for about three months, because they were found of growth of the terms of a previous Sultanate that was made over concerns of traits actually violations doing business with Iranian and North Korean firms. And then we're talking about compliance measures. We're talking about a second cult.

Elliott smart, monitor to the first one that they already have, and also the fact that they have to change up executives really, really fast like within 30 days, and that has people that has investors as company on edge and people are kind of scared. So I think you and I were having this conversation about CT, and we're like the company, is doomed and wasn't mad I'm, like that, doesn't work that way legally every company's entitled to fight back and figure out a way to make things right and legally that that's the way system works. You are guilty until proven otherwise or I, don't know here in the United States. It was especially keen in this case, because we're talking about a Donald, Trump presidency talk and this conservative. You know, officials that are trying to make deals, and again it was Donald Trump that was bringing up the trade war with China that he could win, and this move could be seen as a tit-for-tat kind of deal, especially as other things like agricultural goods or even just steel.

Steel has been the biggest thing about it is I mean AT is one of the major suppliers for 5g. So it's not just trust me. Z T's business is not about phones, well, yeah, European networks, Asian networks, not particularly in the US, which makes this enforcement action kind of strange, but I mean it's partly also the sphere of Chinese, authoritative actions because they have been censoring their internet very heavily, making territorial claims around the world and just making sure that they exert their influence on what kinds of policies that thing. Well, one thing that I think a lot of the damage, that's good a custom from this seems to be just reputation as far as part of the settlement isn't that they had to have like a board. That's directly it that's directly answerable to entities in the United States.

It is yeah, and I'm wondering how that's going to affect their business, their business relationships that they have in China right now. Currently, if that's going to cause bad negative perception of the company one, because they're turned they're going to be changing around all of their management, and they're going to be having kind of insider like a US presence in at a high level in the company, and is that going to because as much as we, the word train in itself means dual. You know in each way, so trust me AT is an if, oh, my god, like, so I did a media tour with them a couple of years ago got that company's huge they're huge, like they represent a huge part of China's Commerce. So trust me, it's not just the if the reputation toward set it's the other way back. They consume a lot of what's produced around here and around everywhere.

So it's its one of those things where you know I felt that this is what was going to happen. Of course the company did to make changes, but legally they were entitled to get a shot figure things out and particularly as we get closer to the launch of 5g. That was something in. That was one of the things that was in the United States' the biggest interest, like what other company is going to make the cell tower supply for 5g, like Irene Nelson provided part of it, but not not as big as the footprint that ZTE was providing DUE doesn't even have that much of a footprint again it doesn't have in the u. s.

, so doesn't want to go up to four percent silver stairs. We're not talking crunch buddy, we're talking, Network we're talking network four percent sewers like that's the number and we're continuing that be to rely on 25 to 30 percent of their components, are us-based like that. For that kind of impact I, don't you data to say yes that I was portion well, I mean that's the truth, and that goes at the phone that comes into their networking components as well. So I mean we're talking about this as like a justice for all system, but it really wasn't because they weren't, given an official appeals process to do to the contest. All of this they were trying to get behind the scenes, and you know, negotiate under the table and make sure that you know they had at least a fair shot at you know protesting this and well they didn't.

It ended up having to be this sort of high-profile tit-for-tat kind of between Beijing Washington and well we're getting somewhere, at least, but I'm. Not sure if this was the right thing on a lot of the news on this. You know, I kind of feel like especially the mainstream news is just because of the current administration, a lot of it too. So you know there's a lot of extra stuff. That's something that's kind of around on the peripheral of this.

That kind of adds to it. So I mean as long as we get an axon 9, and it doesn't see. Maybe it has lousy in the meantime, I am going to shift the order of what was written on the rundown here. Just a second, because Jaime is coming up on his deadline, and we want to talk about something that he is somewhat knowledgeable and the Qualcomm Snapdragon 850. So one of the biggest comments in the video that we did about the Snapdragon 835, and they always connected PC- was wait.

The age 50 just got announced, and you're doing the video about the 835. It was funny, but we actually made that point like. Why are you announcing the age 50 now and you when you just started selling the 835? Another thing is we're still far from the first product that will launch with 850. It's not something. That's going to happen right now, just to give you an idea, one of the major reasons why it had to be the 835 and not the 845, is because this process of creating the whole concept of the always connected PC took a year like it literally took them a year to be able to do all the changes in Windows that weren't necessary, and obviously each processor is a different architecture.

That's the thing about arm complicates the process a little more, and so no so yes, there is the 850. It's pretty much the 8 4. It's like you know. When you talk about the 10x or the 11x processors for iPads, it's like it's, it's got some extra components that make it better for a larger display and a more robust operating system. But I'll tell you this much like out of my experience using the always going ? PC with the Snapdragon 835 uh.

Listen, you would have to like grab two computers like one of them running an Intel chip, whichever you want Core, i5 or i7, and you set it beside the always connected PC and launch anything. You can't really like the difference in Apple. Oh, times are meager, if a second at most, and then it just works. You know for me that was like a big shocker. When I saw this product for the first time in Hawaii, because back then these were still prototypes and back, then you could fill up an Excel sheet.

Just fine and I was like damn like really. This is a foam processor running Windows, but it's a lot more to do with how Windows was optimized and the whole emulation that Windows does for these applications. ? we're talking about Windows 10 S mostly I mean there are people. That is a major thing like my review is going to be live soon. I did read a lot of the comments for people who are like yeah this really just that I'm like it's, not a review, I, don't I had only had like four days with the product.

I can't really kind of so ? I can't review a product in that amount of time. We simply, we simply did a test like okay. Is this thing always connected, and is it real or not that the battery life lasts this long, and we tested, and we went through different places and if you do the time code, we literally spent a span of about eight hours in different spots, and it's hilarious because people were like yeah but you all, you did was open the computer and run speed tests I'm like what exactly you think we were doing for the rest of the time, or would you have preferred a video where I'm just sitting in front of this table? And just you know, eight hours of me just sitting in front of the table and that's what you want is a video really like TV between Norway, like seriously, if you have any idea that these were a hundred and twenty-two clips, a hundred and twenty-two clips for that video to be produced, and that doesn't include- and that doesn't include the fact that we spent the prior day also filming and I, didn't use any of those clips, because I yeah, we I, didn't like the angle that we were going to with the video at the beginning and so to be fully honest. Could I okay things about the HP Envy x2, particularly I feel that it's not priced, and so, when we heard about this product, we were in Hawaii for the Qualcomm summit, and they were like yeah? The price is gonna, be between six and eight hundred bucks, and I'm like okay. That makes sense, and you get a full year of data up until the end of the year.

So that makes a lot of sense and the product deliver is like if all you're looking for is like a MacBook like you know, a MacBook style you're, not editing, video you're, not doing AutoCAD you're, not doing any of that you're. Just you just have a computer to fill your spreadsheet or go to college or this, and that or just typical office work respond to email. This is a'm shocked. I was like alright. This definitely looks like the feature of computing like this is the way it should be because you don't worry about the battery life like that thing has been off the charger for the past two days, like obviously I use it on and off, and it's great.

The only problem is with Tools was mentioning Windows 10s, so things like Chrome, don't work, you can and here's the thing I installed: Windows 10 Pro. You can launch probe and Pro work 90% of the time, but then there are certain things like. If you want to authenticate for your Gmail doesn't work, it doesn't work. So if you want to use it for those particular things you have to be. You have to start liking, Microsoft Edge, which is probably one of the downside, so I wonder if things are going to get better with now with the snapdragon 850 or what the plan is gonna, be we'll see it's an exciting time.

That's for sure it is an exciting time, but obviously there are, there are growing pains uh. You know like in the example that we were portraying right now with the key one and Nova Launcher. It's very difficult for a company to start are creating a particular architecture for this new mentality. That's coming with the always connected, so it's going to take some time. It's not gonna, be something that's gonna launch immediately I'm going to say is I have been early, adopt an early adopter for a ton of Apple products and I have never had such a good experience adopting the product early.

As with this HP Envy x2, oh man, well, that's just a testament yeah to how polished it at this point really, even if it's even if there are some growing pains with a tell you like Jules, was filming me of the whole all throughout the shoot, and I'm. Like damn dude, this thing is still at this battery light like it's pretty impressive yeah is like dude like look at these data speeds. Man- and you know sprint is not that great here in New, York City I was the first one. That I was like alright I need to test this around a city. Well, at this point, do they have any they're any good Windows apps for video editing or anything that not this point? Oh no, in general, Windows apps for video editing is Premiere Pro and that's.

This is not your computer for that yeah I, didn't know of like 9 be possible with that plot with that mobile processor, now yeah yeah yeah. Try me Adobe Creative Cloud for you. Yes, so whatever's in the Windows Store we'll play with it. Then that's that's. What should that's? What I tell people like you can upgrade to Windows 10 Pro I? Don't recommend it right now, I did it, and it's it.

It says that it does work in the app doesn't load, but then a lot of things don't work with him, and so it's like all right. It's still a work in progress yeah, but it's a step in the right direction, though I think so too. Man I think so too. I just hope that there's notice not getting 1000 coming up for next year. That you know is comparable to like a dual-core Intel.

That would be definitely cool. I mean again. I could give you so many examples of I. It's funny how I know I know so many people in our industry that used the MacBook from Apple, and you know when that product launched. All of us were like really like a core em on this and so expensive, because a MacBook is crazy, expensive and just one port like seriously, and so it didn't deliver on a lot of the things like, for example, you do need to charge that thing every now at that, and so, if you have a computer, where you actually don't have to carry the charger, because by the way, the charger on that and the x2 is horrible, it's huge.

It's like really this thing just completely defeats the purpose of the product. That's going to be part of the review, but yeah I feel that just like we've got this appeal. A lot of things need to evolve into because I'll give you an example that that Envy x2 is a little too big. I was like. Why is this product so thick? If this is a food processor, why didn't they make it thinner? I mean I.

Would rather you give me 15 hours of battery life and not 22, haven't proven them yet the haven't reached 22 hours yet, but instead just give me 15 hours and give me a thinner. Computer and I would be really happy with that I. It could be part of the thermal processing that the CPU that they have to do, and also I'd like to design that, because there aren't any fans on that computer, so yeah I, see yeah I'd be worried about having it on my coffee table and then accidentally, throwing it away with magazines or something, so it's just. For example, I am a big icon: user I am a big I pad user like I rely heavily on it and for me, I like that Bob shoot. Let's not go too far.

Like my voice. My audio recorder right now is the iPad and like seriously like this. For me, this form factor is just so cool like I would, rather they give me like an iPad Pro design, like really slim, that also has LTE that runs Windows 10. That I could snap a keyboard when I want, but that's just so small, and it feels like a note pad, because the stylus on that HP is perfect, really, really good, and so I'm, like god. This is just too big for me to use it as a note pad, but it would have been so cool, and I am, but I feel going back to your point.

It's a step in the right direction. It opens the door for the east type of products to exist at some point, so I'm all game for whatever India and will be game, will be up on it with reviews and all the hands-on that we need so, and hopefully we have you to join us. Mom I'm Rivera of the Bach now Bailey as well on YouTube multimedia manager, and before I forget. We have an HP, Envy x2 to giveaway. We do have an extra one.

Furthermore, we were wondering what to do with it. It's going to be a giveaway, so stay tuned. We're going to be running that giveaway next week, and it's it includes a SIM card for one year of data. Alright, there are six months of data is, so it includes yeah. It includes everything.

So it's actually right now we, these are two products: one I'm reviewing to the video portion, then Adam Lane is doing the text portion, and so it's within that text review that we will be doing the giveaway so stay tuned to that text. Review and the conditions are gonna, be there and I. Let the best man win or best woman win, because it's actually a perfect product, yeah yeah. Indeed, good luck to you all, and thank you for joining us on. Yes, thank you for having me sorry that I can't stay, but Adam Lane is waiting for me downstairs for something like yeah go for an obviously by the way, there's been many comments on Twitter and, in the end, the live stream chat.

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So we've seen a lot of political pressure in the US and kids to follow right. We're talking about ten Pro, being denied carriage by 18t and Verizon Best Buy was said to have considered or may have actually taken quarters away from Huawei, so they might not be stopping them in the near future and there's just a whole litany of recommendations against using a ZTE product or a long way product. But I think this is kind of taking things a little too far. Yeah well, maybe especially because this kind of mixes into like the privacy conversation we're having in the dance right now, and that is reaction last week, yeah go ahead. Well, just like it's, it's almost seeming like there.

It seems like it. Almost sort of I come across to me as kind of vindictive based from the US government towards Google and Huawei. You know, because of this whole because well I, guess we'll let everyone kind of know was at Google, so the US government is not very happy with Google because of what happened with their Department of Defense drone like they were sitting essentially helping the Department of Defense develop some better. You essentially make its software that helps scan footage Intel for subjects identifying them used a lot of the Google's artificial intelligence capabilities, and it was called project maven, and it was reported that Google had taken its name out of the race for the next contract for that at big for running that support for a long time. But now it seems like in retaliation the Wall Street Journal is reporting that a few Republicans like Republican senators at the moment, three of them I, know well very long.

It's there were. There was internal strife at Google because of this, like people, people quitting over it as I from what I was seeing in lots of just internal commentary, of how it's not what they signed up for you know they didn't want to sign up for to develop weapons for the US government, which you know, and it's its I can understand them on that and with the current, it's I mean, let's be honest: it's a super toxic political environment in DC and just in the United States right now, and so it's hard part of it makes me wonder if it's sort of a ideology, bipartisan sort of move I mean we're, looking mean I hate to get too deep into this sort of thing. But we are looking more for it's ideologically driven policy these days, those periods. But you know, besides that point like the whole notion of this being a just a clap back to Google by perhaps pointing out its relationship with Huawei, because you may not remember you may do a memo robbery is hard and that back in January it was announced that Google and while I would be a teaming up to provide Android messages as a semester, Acts capabilities that bring it somewhat closer to more, like an AI messages with more fanciful text, processing, media, higher upload limits and whatnot, and that while we would be serving up servers to participating networks if they so choose and of course, where people started getting the little shrug little fearsome. Fearful.

Excuse me next, of course, wallowing being founded by former People's Liberation Army officer and also just having a lot of the government money poured into it and just that Specter Xi Jinping, just oh yeah, it's a culture difference that makes people kind of an easy. But you know as far as did they ever aside from just that general relationship. There's I, don't think then correct me if I'm wrong and everyone in the chat correct me. If I'm wrong, there's been no real hard evidence of wrongdoing, leverage to get schwa way like there was again CTE is am I. Correct, oh well, I mean there was's been an ongoing investigation about what it did in terms of trade center violations, just like CTE and right that was proven, or at least found that the yeah II did, but in terms of the cyber see it's more nebulous, it's more of an issue that gets completed with others such as well I mean in the current environment, trade in current private North Korea, with the relationship to China and whatnot.

So like there are tons of conversations that we could be having at many levels that kind of right into this, and yet you know just having it right back to Google I'm this I'm for of all things being able to determine who you're killing from tending I mean I, don't want to be like okay, Google and then and then a like a drone strikes. My house, you know but I, think well the system you know there was that fanciful um. You know funny little video, or you see it, dystopian video that clip of Google Assistant being taught to fire a gun, hadn't even seen it. You know my god, that's terrifying little coding and you just and make sure that the servos are there and then both, but I mean you could do that with echo. If you wanted and echo you could argue- has had much creepier tendencies with random bouts of laughter, and it's just like buy more toilet paper on Amazon or else or be sure to press that button.

If you really want to continue living, and you'll get a bunch of Tide detergent and in the process, so yeah I mean we're going down rabbit holes here but yeah. This is. This is a tough topic that at least I thought it deserved to being mentioned below. Oh absolutely, villain, it's its because it's part of a non-developing story, interlinking story, because it's a part of a's part of a bigger, bigger, overarching umbrella. We are all these things really true, it's true, but especially something that's just political and so linked to.

What's going on with our government, you know whether it's weather or whatever side you're on. As far as that, you know it's its something that's hard when it makes it into the mainstream media like it is people who are less knowledgeable about are starting to actually like get exposed to this, and it's important to talk about it. It's well I, fully understand because heck. A lot of members of our Congress doesn't really understand how this stuff works, so I mean a couple of years ago. We've been, you know, that's it was Kickstarter and Indiegogo and kind of things that gave us kind of well somewhat justified about outrageous, more kind of ha.

It were mocking it, and it's nice to mock things that we don't have much involvement in, but nowadays, it's well. You get a little more piss and vinegar in your drink. So yes, everyone kind of does these days without is, but I digress. You want to talk about Sprint's, again sure yeah, yeah I mean they're, doing something apparently about a $15 per month plan, and then I need interesting to people who are switching over. So this plan, it's called a limited kick start, and it's a very elusive offer, because, first, you have to be pointed over your number to it to the network.

You also have to well, you can't buy your own device, or you can bring one over from a previous situation that you had, and in that case the device portfolio would be very limited. So yeah, it sounds like it's a very well written. It sounds like a shot across the bow for MDA knows that rely on Sprint, mmm-hmm well, and I mean they've, been kind of doing similar sort of things. For the past few years, I mean the don't even get me started about that family plan stuff that they had for a suit period of money. That I was that was an act of branding that real the devil.

Oh yeah, I used to work. I worked at Best Buy at that time and every single time somebody walked in with whoever that they've met on their way into Best Buy, going. Let's put us on a family plan, I was hoping I could can't set them on fire with my eyes. Oh my god. Well, and it's its interesting though, because I've always wondered house because Sprint's half is I mean a big chunk of Sprint's business is coming from the MVNO sort of stuff that they end up doing, and it's its I've always been interested to see how they balance that you know it's kind of like how well I mean yeah, it's more.

It's more intimate of a relationship for them like say with Virgin Mobile, isn't it then say ATT and cricket I mean yeah. They have so many partners that they kind of you know rely on them to keep the subscriber numbers at a little, but it's especially become a jarring. I could say that we're looking at this in the context of Sprint and T-Mobile can do to the merger or looking at a department of justice. That's finally seeking out the concerns of smaller carriers, such as those MV owners that rely on Sprint, T-Mobile wholesale access to their networks and worried about rents going up as a result of this merger. So there's that happening, and there was also if we go back just a couple of weeks ago, freedom pop that runs on spreads network and watched another virtual network.

It's called unreal mobile they're kind of going through beta phases right now, and the thing was that the headline was $15 per month. So where does a limited kick start get this $15 per thing, probably from a real mobile, so yeah? This is an it's interesting, of course, so yeah I'm curious. If because of course I know we don't I, don't really have you know to have any line of sight into where they're at, and they're all of their negotiations. But do you think that this could potentially be a move to get more subscribers in and leverage that in the deal? Possibly perhaps I mean it's a very short term for sure so. Sprint's value in relation to its stock price mentioned in the deal is about 10 percent lower than it should be so just meet the gap.

People have been. Investors have been very worried about this deal nowadays, so yeah yeah I mean it's having a look, having a look at Sprint for a long time, they've made a lot of short-term business decisions. I feel like especially with, like their pricing, jumping around all their probably their promotion. Happy any can dip it down to $50 per month for it a little. $500 blond name, never like their last big long-term decision.

They made well, it's probably not their last, but one of their major ones that they made a long time ago ended up blowing on their face, and that's why Max and they never really fully recovered from that. As far as you know, they just because coverage- and you know I- mean the Sprint Next Mercury- was in itself just that boggling to have because of the conditions, because you know I'm going to put him in a hole as far as their like the V, the commitment to that technology that they were using, and then basically that was just a bunch of money, flushed down the toilet, and is you know, so they have the physical towers, but they have to put the new emitters on there with 4G LTE instead of WIMAX, and it just it prevented them. Because you know getting building more towers is expensive, and they poured a bunch of money into this technology that was kind of a dead end yeah. He said it was four years of just having that around and even like latest last year, there was a lawsuit by edge, I think education on it that worked to keep some WIMAX towers up because they were still using some really. How are they using them on like? Because a couple of that is Galaxy S to Epic, 4G Touch is out there around Wow.

Well, there's probably you know, there's not many people using it, so maybe they're using all that bandwidth, exactly just all that free space that they're using it's just- oh man, yeah, it's it'll, be I'm interested to see how this is going to turn out, especially with how I'm interested to see how the prepaid side of things are. Going to turn out for all sprint, prepaid, stuff and T-Mobile's. Everyone is Boost. Mobile's founder is ?, oh yeah I mean they're, they're gonna I mean either they're going to mean they're they're. All going to have to eventually switch over to GSM.

I would hope. Well, I've been well at least it's a matter. I have unlocked devices, it's a matter of routing back haul. In so, I mean yeah I mean you can have all the towers you want, but in the end you have to provide the servers to interconnect with each other. So yeah, that's true.

I just know either way for where I live, I can't be on team over Sprint. So I was on T-Mobile for a little and there I will say they have been doing a great job of building out. You know it's just it's just happening to be you in places some places where I need to go that it's its pretty much the edge of the earth where you can shoot the edge here. If we can see it from there, so yeah totally Adam Lane was just coming in was about hey. You want to come to our next story about.

Did you get the Eve? That's because I'm on an Levee right now? If you don't remember the EP, this was the key, not only that a crowdfunded thing, but also the crowd-sourced specs for the whole entire Windows 10 convertible laptop surface, clone thing that was started up, and I have one here. He has his unit. You want to show it off right. There lovely it's like, oh and tell that oh come on a chalkboard and everything yeah, it's a kickstand there. Maybe it's a big lump of Awesomeness because it's finless, but it has an Intel dual-core processor for laptop, so great for that yeah and well you've been hearing, and I'm here yeah, but the evened.

How do you plan on going forward into your experience, re-released and sold this? What's the next one, so they're planning on a backpack, because they've got? Of course, you have to have swag but also know hey bets going to be one is premium things, and they also have like a full-blown laptop that they want to try- and do you know they're just inched this over here. The split screens, but I missed down on the 8-inch tablet that they made Eve, t8 and I never got to see that it was. It was impressive piece of hardware just for the value proposition. It was a particularly heavy thing because it was no yeah most at least when Artie was still a thing most of the 8-inch devices. That I was that I was whenever I was at Best.

Buy were the for the full windows once because pretty much the only some only art, some only RT devices that I remember seeing were pretty much the for the most part, this sort of the official marketing you know surface yeah, just the surface are to use like we don't want to touch this no I mean every single conversation I would have to have with customers would be at will be at least 10 minutes of me, explaining a difference and making sure that they understood it, because inevitably, every 90% of people who bought the RT tablet just runs Windows lovely hardware yeah, if you put, if you put the over here, so you're gonna, get this podcast has become a train wreck in the best sense back on the topic back on topics. It's an it's just the rumors for this Paul's iPhone and that the LCD model, which was supposed to be almost affordable, and you'd, be the mass appeal type apparently is going to be delayed by a couple of months, because apparently the people over at Japan's way I'll do this player having a hard time trying to up those yields for the panels which have to be in that iPhone 10 to design where the curved corners and the edge no not kind of, has to be made. For so, it's I mean they're having difficulty just informing that with healthy eating. Now sharp has been working on kind of thing, and you know that you know a curved LCD or a cord or cut LCD as possible. It's just well like to have that run into this obstacle and Apple, especially after well.

I would say it was a big applause for Apple this year, but obviously investors had their own estimates for how the iPhone 10 should have done and well it made record profits for Apple didn't do as well as it should have David across that 80 million iPhone shipment mark. So well. We want to you know, so you go ahead and do me know what I was about to ask for you well, and I'm, just wondering with the Rd that they're put there pushing into this to try and get this developed. Are they mean it comes down to it? What are they saving that much more than just using AMOLED or at some point the R&D has to reflect in the price tag, but I could be one of those rare things they did it for home pod, where they might be taking a loss on this, or they might be taking of doing a loss, leader, sort of thing, or at least very smaller margins that they would have expected. Well, I mean gosh, they're selling it what their it's estimated to be.

The affordable models of us, estimated to be between he's on Twitter at Isaiah 88 ad am he a yeah. Give him a follow guys. Yes, yes, he's good stuff. Alright, but yeah like where was I, it was just. It was yeah, I lost my train of thought, I am crazy because it 550 because the so are we thinking the DSL.

This LCD iPhone is going to be the like the SE sequel, possibly because if it is its launching 100, two dollars more than the SE was continuing. Evidence is that the SE two or the sequel would be the iPhone sequel would be a different model. It's been said that this would be a summer or launch, or at least some time around double you know, DC may launch, and they were further delays. So you could see four freaking little iPhones this well. Now, though, they're going to have to they're going to happen to the one.

My prediction is that they're going to basically sunset the success and the seven I mean they're still supporting the 5s in 2018, which is true well there's one point I want to make look will say that for the WWDC section, yeah I've got a point too regarding Apple Watch on that one okay, at the same time with like a timber and a harmony baritone in any case. Finally, one story left in this rundown and that is essential in the twists and turns that Academy has had to make those the past couple weeks. We finally have a headphone jack adapter, the freaking audio adapter mod for that 2-pin connector thing: where was the 2017 Bruce? Well, it was, it was the freaking dongle that was cost $15. It didn't have to cost them. What's the number here for getting so much money, I, don't know.

I didn't see pricing on this ya know. I would assume it's over 50 bucks, though I would assume so most well, because our talking were including ESS, ESS, say produce, because what LG uses in its g-series feast areas they have that contact thing going on and then there's also master quality authenticated technology that they've been heavily pushing. That basically makes more of experience sort of sound like lossless Sam. So that's what they're promoted at this. Of course, you could put in a 3.5 millimeter, headphone jack and our headphone just headphones and less than an edger. Well, despite that being at I mean if you look at that picture, it's its a pretty thick burger right.

There one like I'm gonna, have a case on mine if I had one, and so that's that's my problem with these mods the way they've designed it is you pretty much have to go without a case to be able to use them and in it for me, that's kind of you know: I'm sweating right now, just having my mate 9 out of a case right now. So oh no I think it's a little too late. Right now, with it, I mean it's really cool they're doing it, but it was in the pipeline already. They said they were going to do something more with yeah. It was on tracks, but especially stings after you read the statement from the company.

That said, oh well, we cancelled some projects and people are kind of inferring that it's the central phone too, but we have more integral successful projects that we are working on and then what comes out is a 3.5, millimeter adapter. So yeah I mean it's its good, that with at least they're acknowledging and that's nice if they have that it's just I mean if it were me, also that'd be the one of the first things, I'd lose because just thinking about my magnets be nice right. That's true that is very true, and I mean I would be interesting. It would definitely be interesting to see how it performs compared to the dongle that they included with it so yeah I mean it's I'm I'm excited I'm, glad to see that essential is still putting out Broderick. Despite all the really horrible press, they've gotten within the last month, I think it's at some point.

It could be just cut bait and let loose but right, and it's just who knows how many, how many accessories are there products that they have it? That's already in the pipeline that they committed I, mean nothing's guaranteed an any moment. Andy Rubin, just clap his hands, don't try it slurry and talk about WWDC 2018, get excited for software. I know that you, you were a hardware junkie, and you're, not too excited about. First, Apple and Tiger all software and third of all Apple software. What let me put this way my family is excited about.

Apple is very software, but you know it's to be honest, though, in all honesty, it's the types of things that we're starting to see. Because I mean it's a nut, I'm just going to say for me, it seems like another year of them kind of catching up with Apple, but I Android and functionality for a lot of things, and it's good I'm glad that that that the Apple users and iOS users are getting. These is getting, are getting these features. Now that we've been able to enjoy for a long time- and you know because, it's its just good to have that, because Apple tends to push things mainstream, you know it could be. It was a fingerprint scanner, all the way to the notch so and getting rid of the headphone jack.

So if we're good or better or worse, you know in this case a lot of it seems to be for better because they're, like gosh we're going down here. There's iOS 12, where, where there's performance, they're fixing with performance, especially with older devices, so they're taking advantage of what they did, do a little better than the Android and is supporting older devices and actively making them in theory faster. That's a perfect thing, especially as they know now that they're not selling as much as they were like at that same rate as they were, so they've got it. It's even more important for them to support their older devices. So I really like that.

I like that, a lot honestly that part and then just waiting for them to get the nameplate and to make sure that everyone's included, everyone can jump off the finest bus site. Some point like I, don't think such a clean break will happen. Yeah, there's on see your uncle unit down to like one release. It's not this three or four releases kind of deal, we're talking this, and you cover all the ranges. It's just one release at a perfect price point like, but there have to be a big break for me.

Yeah, there's one I'm, also excited I'm excited to see Siri not be like getting less dumb yeah. That's totally over these a little improvement, so iOS twelve is all about performance. They were teasing a bunch of percentages in terms of speed, faster, app launches and faster camera transitions. Also, the keyboard displays much faster and I understand seconds path when it comes to saving yourself time hours even days just by because you use your damn phone all week, all just texting friends, so I understand that's something that should be Iron Throne is saying in the chat. Are you know, we've got it.

We have to wait to see exactly how iOS twelve is going to perform on the older devices. You know battery throttling. Yes, that's exactly what I was gonna, be saying, because if they're, because they're, they're going to have the toggle between which ones you want to do, and how is it? Is it going to balance ours, they're going to be the same or worse, with once it's throttled. Thus, there is point-blank less code. Then it's not going to be eight that I feel like you.

Can they can kind of again bodge around it and perhaps speed it up that way, but I'm not sure how? Far how far before we get to diminishing returns, yeah I, don't know, I will see, I mean the thing I'm most interested to see is how it performs in the success and then we'll just kind of see from there or well success or the SE I guess where's, the six or the five minutes. Well, it's not it's not getting. Is the if I confirm is the six is getting it because I, don't think the six is getting it yeah? No, they said it was gonna, be all I phone um, it was the say it's the same support base as the Iowa's eleven okay, okay. So it was just they the examples they were giving him. The older devices were just the 6s and not like the sticks, okay, okay, that makes sense.

Okay, yeah. What about cover the damn thing? This was like two hours of my life that I have to like to sit down and make sure that I'm looking at for King knock Phil, Schiller's, what's-his-name, Federighi, Craig, Federighi, XY's and not make she can make sure that I don't fall into his gaze yeah. It's interesting I'm glad also bundled notifications. Oh my gosh, like definitely. Finally, I was talking to some co-workers who all have iPhones, and we ended up saving.

So my co-worker of mine left her iPhone 10 in the park gas station parking lot and actually managed to get it. Get it back, and I was talking them about that, and they're like funneled. What like I like my long list of notifications, and I'm, just like my gosh, are you guys and I feel like I'm talking to something from the medieval era? I think they'll get to know what bundle of notifications are in due time and hopefully enjoy it? Oh I, don't I, don't wish anyone of any you know unless allegiance any ill will because they need lived their lives on their phones too. So I mean well I just want to get into some digital health stuff too, because that was a somewhat of a point talking point at Google IO with Andrew, P and I. Think it's mostly the same stuff really like there's a nap time screen time kind of a deal where he learned her or no excuse me I'm conflating all these.

My screen time is just making sure you know how much screen you're using per day five or six hours kind of crazy and just make sure that you get a report every week at launching you for your overuse of Instagram allowances allows you to set up limits and well it's really. It doesn't really go that far since you're able to actually go through with the allowance. You can actually go past. The allotments by just tapping on I want to go in for a little more and I. You know, I'm a data is beautiful kind of guy, so I would even so much as even if I don't use any of the limiting features of it.

It would be I love the idea of being able to go in and just see what my, what my, what my personal smartphone habits are in the long term. Just because it's fascinating, you know it's cool and then, if I decided I'm like man, gosh I'm wasting so much time on this, then you know that could kind of do that if it turns out that I'm I need to go out- and you know interact with humans more, but it's nice to have that, and I think that's a feature. You know that you know we talked about Apple star having these features, whether they're, good or bad, that the other manufacturers copy. This is something I would not be upset if other, if Android OEM started, including in there remember that Quinton jinn is not human all right. Let's talk about Siri for a second, it's attempting to be smarter, but really it's just making sure that you can be faster, so the biggest deal about this is shortcuts, and it's already integrated into some third-party apps.

But you can create your own. It's it reminds me of if, if there's not that in terms of just being able to set a hot phrase and then have the iPhone go through a whole raft of tasks and commands, we're not telling them at the time, tell your meetings or our order, some so yeah. What's your take on that, I mean I. Think it's pretty cool just to have that like do, we know how in the weed you can get with it like as far as like setting up macros and because, like some of that would be cool, especially you like, if you're like I know that they were talking about getting into your car and doing some of this. So the more specific thing that they mentioned is a kayak.

The travel reservation site. If you go into that app, and then you set up a hot raise like travel plans, you can actually pull up the information about your reservation at the time you get the dress. Perhaps if you really wanted to be a little more efforts in effort, and you can set directions to the hotel, I'm, not sure, and so it is looks. Like there's, there's like a phrase that triggers it listening to, you then are: are you just doing? Hey Siri travel plans, or I think well, I know they think. Did this for that Apple Watch where you can just raise the watch if just talk to it but in terms of in terms of just iOS I'm, not sure that you just tell her yeah.

Do you have to say hey Siri, I, think I was gonna, say conceivably, you could have? You could have it to where, since it's unlocked, you would think. Oh well, you're holding it in a certain way so that it's directly in front of your face, and you're unlocking this you're paying attention to your phone, but I mean if that's not a future. Now that might mean it's all about that brand reinforcement right, especially on that iPhone, where I mean they did move a washer West, but that's kind of that was kind of saving their users. The ostentatious kind of gesture of having to do that raised arm for too long, yeah I know I, don't worry. I'm, like honey I've got the gear s three frontier, and it's like I lift no, but not coming up.

Yep now, I see much I just you know you play around the bezel a little and that you, it starts activating most satisfying thing ever with a watch. Yeah ball, bearings man. Yes, there's yeah that that's pretty exciting. There's another thing that I really like and I feel like Apple has been a big in the forefront of is, is they're the way that they've implemented. They are in the mainstream, yeah yeah, so let's well because Google, actually sort of preempted them in the sense, because they have that just the line app that they introduced, that they kind of like a closed beta thing and that it was just being able to tap phones to each other and then share the same in our space, and you know do a little.

What not and it's kind of extends that this is a know, being able to develop on and get to, and you'll be able to ignore those experiences. Those shared experiences playing games down you down blocks as they showed off in their demo in the same space and just being able to play games. Also, 3d object, detection, so I know this is where I go back to so the Nintendo 3ds you were able to scan cards and be able to show have them display characters coming out of those cards in augmented reality, and I was neat and amazing, but you couldn't really do that.3D objects and I guess well, maybe now's. The time now is the time to implement that. So they were talking about.

Lego has it's an assembly square app and with certain physical labels that you build them, and then you take the app to it and then, oh, my god, you got extended, sets it's a virtual set. You can see what's happening in there. Basically, we have the mayor of the city and just do a bunch of fun stuff, and you can that's coming from a scan of a 3d object. So that's someone impressive on well, it's nice to you because apples they are stuff like that. They've been implementing feels more organic, and it feels less like a tech demo.

I feel, like you know, especially with some games. They are having word that can slingshot it's where you know you pull back, and you shoot, or I mean heck I'm waiting for whenever they release. They have a DND sort of thing set up to where you can kind of. If you have some friends around like it's, it's just very organic and as far as like the types of games that they're coming out with that, are you know that like as opposed to say, tango where they're like we just want to have. We want to have this terrible Lenovo project, tango phone and lows, and it's good to be there.

So you can, you know kind of searching. It was like a whole project that went to not because you know they had that one camera solution for a bouquet and all those other features, and then also which is just what camera for all the augmented reality, because you have TensorFlow, you have all the AI to determine some other intangibles factors that you need to place objects. So it's like it's like the little things like a measuring app where you measure physical space yeah, it's crazy to see just seeing how quickly we've advanced and tech in the air and just technology and sensor technology and algorithms and software technology, an approach and sense, because what that, because tango King like started or what 2014-2015, so I'm, not sure what the IP you started four years ago, though, like it's, the first product that we saw, that was able to be sold and to pro yeah, and then they're then like what was it six months a year later, they a sustained go from excessive amount. Yes yeah, and it's its really I mean it's nice to see that it's fascinating just watching this advanced. So much like what I mean heck, we ever if in wise was a friend of mine just got with the windows mixed reality, headset and it's using me, and the way that the controllers on at work is like what was it for like you can detect where you're at as far as like, like the tilt, but as far as like or Ford, you are and back it basis, a lot of that off of algorithmic estimation yeah.

It's just amazing that that all of this we like we don't even need to have all of those sensors and that's an apple, is coming back toward to a pond that that's where they're capitalizing and make it mainstream, because you don't have to buy a specific niche phone to be able to do that, and they're dealt the software that there's this. The games and software that they're showcasing is really polished and compelling, and that's one example of where you can say, Apple kind of, comes in and brings in a little more polish. The sword isn't the pencils mightier than the sword. Well, you have the code, that's mightier than a hammer or the sensors, so I mean it's great for those purposes, especially when the stakes are pretty low. Now, if we ever get to a riskier territory or more kind of maybe even like surgical they've been talking about implicate, that's in the medical field, that's where we start to.

You know, ask more questions, but I'd want I'd, want them to be able to be slightly more accurate with the measuring before I had a surgeon. They are. You know. V are like into my chest cavity because, like we saw the real-time changing of the measurements, it's like three quarters. Five eighths.

The record is five eighths Morris record, so I mean they're going to get better as time goes long and- and you know I- wouldn't be surprised if in a generation or two it's its hyper well, more, even more accurate I'd give it I gave it like a hundred generations until well, hey big enough to measure like if I'm moving someplace- and you know trying to do with that project. Tango, try and try to do with lows. I mean I! Think it's generally pretty good for that. You know anything else: you're going to want to be getting proper, carpentry tools and proper tape measures so but yeah I think I feel like one of the big trends coming up as just making sure it isn't. You know in sexting you have to have that eggplant emoji really back backed up by science and then don't worry.

Then you get them emojis with it yeah the MIMO. Oh, no! No! What didn't you find it so ominous that they're like now, we can track your tongue, and I'm like I. Don't know about this I think everyone after they said that they were just kind of like and everyone you know so moving their tongues around after that man and Charlie Broker got into his next episode of yes boy, yeah, and I mean aside from okay, they're they're they're, more emojis speaking of those emojis and whatnot? That's uh talking about face ad for a hot second, looking at alternate appearance and potential iPad adoption of this thing, so I mean it would be practical to say that face ID Woodman was coming for that I did know. This has been, so I guess good on them, but you still need the hardware out yeah and now there 's are two different ways: I think that they might do this and honestly- and this is its crazy and I- know it's blasphemous, but I on an iPad I, wouldn't mind a ma, a notch, because it's such a huge canvas on their like if it's the sale I mean you wouldn't even leave it not because you already have the bezels there well, if they want to make it business fully bezel us that would be fascinating. It would be hard to grip.

I would have to have a pop socket on the back. Would you really piss off that many tech fins from just because I mean they don't really actually use not too many of them use tablets do that well, which is the most popular tablet around? Well, it's like I'm thinking. Morally, just like someone like my family, using it because like my mother- loves her iPad just loves it. We got. We got her.

One of the newer ones got she upgraded from the third gen iPad and yeah, and while, and she loves it, it's one of her main computer remain computer when she's not having to do her course stuff to get stuff done well with. If they had the notch, a bezel is display in the not I mean the notch. Assuming that the notch would be the same saw I would hope to god it would be the same size or smaller if they had it, then, what's on the iPhone 10, because he would be way less noticeable, I mean I would think, but I don't know, I think it'd be fascinating. I think it would be a gutsy move for Apple to do the knife own 10 style, iPad yeah, just for the engineering standpoint of an accomplishment of doing that. I think it would be really cool, I, think I think they'd sell more iPads that way, I think just because of having that and the novelty of it.

It would be a combination of like Liam Daisy that returns like the disassembly robots they have for recycling parts inside and also just a like a huge middle finger like that would be the combination of those it'd be wow that is so intricate and so the beautiful too elegant. And yet why did you do this yeah? You know it's yeah, it's its interesting, I think I, think well, I think it would be just it'd be interesting, and it would breathe new life into the hardware side for them. Just because they're there iPads have pretty much I mean they've kept the same design for their iPads since what almost since the air, essentially since the air am I, correct yeah like minor changes and thickness and whatnot, so I, you know I kind of like to see it just I mean I'm, definitely afraid of how much they would price it at, but it would probably just be a pro that would do that which that's okay, that's something I, wouldn't mind so much because. The iPad Pro is kind of a luxury device. In way, I would feel like of the Apple tablet selection, so yeah, yeah I, don't know I think it'd be cool.

And finally, we have a watch. Io's 5, a few of the improvements we have there, a walkie-talkie just being able to communicate between Apple watches through either Wi-Fi cellular. You also have a fancy reaction going on and interactive notifications so that you can, if someone's sending you a notification to be got paid through Apple Pay, then you just tap it and already paid, so that's great and then a bunch of the Fitness features such as competition, making sure that you get this money I, don't know how the point system works and what it converts to in terms of the Canadian dollar, but I'm sure it's worth something well and one. The one thing that they were talking about, the automatic workout detection I mean that's cool. In theory, I mean they're.

They have that on the Samsung gear s, 3 frontier and every time, I'm at work and I play foosball. It's like dynamic workout. You know, I'm like this is I feel terrible. If this is what it's counting is my exercise, because most of my exercise is very good cardio, don't you under no I made cardio Mike? Most of my cardio is sucking in my gut 24/7. So but yeah it's well I mean it we'll see how it works.

I'd lie I mean if anyone's gonna, pull it off. I think Apple could pull off just it's working pretty well kinda like the same way that they pull off a little better. The like what was it like raising up your watch and having it turn on compared to turn on Siri yeah yeah, you can talk to it. Yeah yeah, there's I mean the sad thing is Siri is still better than a space. So that's good.

It's the sad, sad truth, but hey I mean what can you do better? My main thing about this is that it's not watch OS 5 will not apply to the original Apple watches that watch or Apple Watch and out watch edition, and yet it will apply to the Apple Watch Series one, which is your know you would say in what the heck's going on with that. Well, technically, it has the same specs as all those other watches that I just mentioned, but it came out as just a one model, and it was, and during the Apple Watch Series two introduction. So yeah cares about that, and also you talked about just working iOS just a second ago about keeping all of your support. It's intact, Rio as 12 and yeah. You freaking just let go of your throat stopwatch holders what just three years after you freaking on it, and it makes me wonder if it's just a move to get them to get people who bought the first Apple Watch onto the newer version.

I mean that I can't really think of any other reason to withhold it to the original Apple watches, unless their Trish trying sir I'm just trying to get them to get a newer device, that's kind of what it feels like to me. I think it should be yeah I, don't think it should be a three-year turnover rate like that's not it. So it's a watch. It hit a home watch I're still comparing it to like other watches, and you know it's not a phone that you put in your pocket, and it's like an is more just by it's form factor and how you use it. It's yeah, it's different.

I kind of gave some you know counterbalance to that in my write-up on this news by saying that well to be vertical, and it could be fair because the equipment, the heart, the components, have stopped being upgraded vastly per generation. So I, don't know, yeah I mean here's the other thing to looking at I. Guess where were oh s, I'm still is trying to get him. I wrap my head around saying: that's an Evander to where, like I mean at least whenever the original Moto 360 was in the black, because it had the MAP processor from the Galaxy Nexus in that bang. And so there are these instruments, yes and yeah.

They had the. They had a reason to stop this for on that one well and like Sony, stopped supporting their Smartwatch and that there wasn't really any reason except for they just didn't want support anymore, because they are running that stamp. Red Room 400. So it's its tough! That's that's! What makes me think that it's just pretty much a business move for them as we as and more many and apples, not the only manufacturer who's guilty of this, but there you know they mean many manufacturers. It's a common strategy to try and push people to the newer devices and I mean they didn't sell, really that many as am I in my incorrect I, don't know if I'm incorrectly destroyed, whereas in sold it way there was a well are off second-placed, oh yeah, I'm, walking I'm, even talking about just the first generation.

Apple watches compared to the second generation ones and think I think yeah. It definitely took another years for them to really gain steam on that, but still it was. It was still an early kind of outperforming yeah yeah, it's I mean well. Furthermore, it's now we'll see I'm just I'm, just glad that I waited to get my mother, an Apple Watch until the second generation. Now oh my gosh, but it's chance, you're gonna, give it time to stew and not be on the hook for your mother's technical support from oh, no, no, no I already am you know, I mean you already have on your freaking laptops of computing whatever, but you don't need a freaking Apple Watch right, yeah I want it's.

You know. I went through I had both the first gen Moto 360 and I have an LG watch, urbane and so enzyme, and I had a like that was the v10, so I'm like first year, I'm tired of first generation adoption. You know yeah, that's just another lesson up basically to our listeners. Just I would recommend not going with the first gen unless you're willing to live with these risks. I mean I'm, Carlos, says: there's a rule, three generations and then well, perhaps you strike out- or perhaps you have, you know, hit a home run.

I, don't know, I, know yeah I'm more of the adventurous type anyways, so even with like pre-orders for product I'm going to be really trigger-happy on that return policy. If there's one yeah yeah there's its yeah well, in its I've, been more and more and more and with Apple doing this it's with their support, at least on their device on their phones. I've been more of a proponent for having people go, it's like to SWAP or whatnot and seeing if they can get it good previous generation device and Apple's one of the with the exception now the Apple Watch Apple has generally been that one of the better ones to do that for just because of software support, yeah and I just wish. I hope that we don't see more of these sorts of moves from them in the future. Also, I have another thing: I wondered too is: do they do the same sort of throttling with the Apple Watch that they did with the iPhone, because those batteries are even smaller and more tightly packed in, and I'm selling used with Series three as well, so I mean that's I, think they held out.

It was reported that they held out on including cellular for series two because of battery issues, but again that's something that more analytical, more like a non-tech or whatever would have to look into and really be able to do that on nail down so yeah. Until that you know yeah well, I guess we'll see it's its interesting to see. I'm just you know, I'm just glad that it's nice to see these new, these new features being brought in. Even if there are some a lot of them are catching up to what other one they're doing. It's nice, that everyone are getting the features and those features becoming mainstream, and it's nice that everyone is tuning in to our stream to learn more about these features and yeah.

Thanks all for joining us this week, Andrew Wallace of the book club and just other things that he does in his spare time. Where can people find you axe yeah, every you guys, if anyone's looking to follow me I'm on Twitter at that produce saying the same name at Instagram I've, also I'm, a co-host with Juan Carlos back now for the geek book club, our monthly book podcast, we're currently reading for June station 11, which should be fun and yeah. That's, and I'm also on twitch, occasionally as well. It's all under fat produce. Oh, you look that up.

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