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>>>, PARTY PEOPLE? TO MY RIGHT IS SHERLIN LOWE. BEL OUR PODCAST PRODUCER, BEN ALMAN DIAGONALLY. BOTTOM RIGHT. GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. I HAVE NOT. I WAS AWAY FOR TWO WEEKS, SO SOUNDS LIKE YOU GUYS HAD A LOT OF FUN.

>> IF YOU CAN CALL IT THAT. >> PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING SAMSUNG ANNOUNCED LAST WEEK SHIRLIN HAS HAD TO REVIEW. >> I'VE HAD MAYBE THREE HOURS OF SLEEP IN THE LAST TWO WEEKS. >> A WHOLE WEEK? >> THE WHOLE WEEKS. THAT'S HER.

SO I WROTE UP SOMETHING LAST NIGHT, THE FACEBOOK STUFF. SO WE ARE ALL A LITTLE TIRED, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME FUN, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE CHRIS VELASCO IS BACK. >> THIS IS DEFINITELY WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR. >> CHRIS CAME BACK AND IT FEELS EXACTLY LIKE WHEN THE SENIORS GRADUATE FROM HIGH SCHOOL AND THEN THEY COME BACK AFTER THEIR FIRST SEMESTER IN COLLEGE AND ALL THE TEACHERS ARE LIKE, HAY! >> IT'S MORE LIKE WE'RE THE TOWNIES. >> COOL.

>> GREAT. >> LOVE IT. >> WE'RE THE TOWNIES, CHRIS IS THE GUY WHO CAME BACK. >>E'LL BE TALKING ABOUT SAMSUNG VENABLES. WE HAVE SOME STUFF TO TALK ABOUT, TOO, BUT AS ALWAYS, WE'LL BE DOING A RECORDING OF THE PODCAST.

WHEN WE DO THAT, WE CANNOT TALK WITH YOU ALL. BUT WE'LL HAVE SOME Q&A SEGMENTS. >> THE WINNER OF ALASKAS PAST. >> STILL IN MY BASEMENT. >>.

>> WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. >> WE WILL TRY OUR BEST. >> YOU WILL GET A CLEAR LOOK AT THE INTERNET. CHECK THIS OUT. THIS IS MOR HAN ON.

WE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL POINT TWO THINGS. >> INDEED. >> YOUR Z FLIP THROUGH REVIEW IS NOW OUT, RIGHT? >> NO, NOI AM WORKING ON THAT AND THE VIDEO IS OUT, YES. >> I DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING. I JU RANDOM CALL, IT'S FROM SHIRLIN.

>> HE'S NOT YOURS ANY MORE. >> I FIGURE THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OF ME AND SHIRLIN DOING WEIRD FACE EFFECTS. >> A VIRTUAL -- MADE REAL. >>LY, THANK YOU. >> IT'S OKAY.

IT'S OKAY. IT'SNLY GOING TO BE A OF TIME BEFORE WE HAVE A VIRTUAL POP IDOL LIKE IN MACRO PLUS COMING IN TO WANT TO TAKE THE WORLD OVER. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. WE'LL BE DOING SOME Q&A. >> EXACTLY.

ACALLY I DON'T HAVE YOUR HAVE -- TITLE IN THIS DOCUMENT. >> IT IS. STAFF WRITER, WASHINGTON POST. >> STAFF WRITER WASHINGTON POST. >> I SEE.

I SEE. OKAY. YEAH, I'M LOOKING IN THE THINGY HERE. >> QUICK SHOUT OUT TO JIFER. >> I PUT IT IN THE ROS.

QUI SHOUT OUT TO JIFER WITH A VERY GOOD IDEA. IF I WAS SAMSUNG, I WOULD TAKE UNITS OF A NEW PRODUCT AND GIVE THEM TO REVIEWERS TO DO A TORTURE TEST OF THEM, WHICH SOUNDS GREAT. SAMSUNG DOES NOT LET ANYONE BASICALLY WITH A REVIEW UNIT BASICALLY BEAT THE HELL OUT OF THESE THINGS. >> NO. >> IT'S ALWAYS A BLIND SPOT IN OUR TESTING AND IT'S INTERESTING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO APPROACH IT.

>> DO YOU REMEMBER THE ONE TIMEDY THAT BUT WITH A RUGGED S7 OR S8? >> THAT'S THE POINT. >> AND YOU DROPPED IT DOWN TEE FLIGHTS OF STAIRS AND BROKE IT. >> THE PROBLEM IS, I -- >> NOT SO RUGGED. >> I WAS STILL ADJUSTING TO THE U. S.

AND I THOUGHT SIX FEET WAS SIX FLOORS. >> NO! YOU DID GO TO -- >> NO. >> YOU WENT TO SCHOOL IN THE U. S. , SHIRLIN.

>> I WENT TO GRAD SCHOOL AND UNDERGRAD. BUT I GREW UP WITH THE METRIC SYSTEM. >> YOU WERE IN THE U. S. FOR AT LEAST FOUR YEARS.

OVER FOUR YEARS. >> I KNOW I'M KIND OF -- >> SO MOST BASKETBALL PLAYERS ARE NOT SIX FLOORS TALL. >> YES, I KNOW. >> ALL RIGHT. THIS IS GOOD.

LET'S CARRY THIS FLRG INTO THE SHOW. WHAT'S UP, B IS IN. >> NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I REMEMBER THIS HAPPENING. AND SO YOU, THEREFORE, CANNOT BE MAD AT ME THE ONE TIME YOU LET ME BORROW A SONY PHONE, I THINK IT WAS, FOR A SHOOT AND I DRPEDT AND DESTROYED IT. >> YES.

>> WE'RE EVEN. >> I GUESS. >> BETWEEN ALL OF US, WE'VE DESTROYED PLENTY OF GADGETS. IT'S PRETTY COOL. THE FUN THING.

ALL RIGHT. >> WE'RE GOOD TO GO. >> MY RECORDING LOOKS GOOD. LET'S KICK OFF IN THREE, TW ONE. WHAT'S UP, INTERNET? AND WELCOME BACK TO THE ENGADGET PODCAST.

TODAY WE'LL BE REVIEWING ALL THE PHONES. THAT INCLUDES SAMSUNG'S NEW FOLDABLES, THE PIXEL 5A AND PROBABLY SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE CAN THINK OF BECAUSE SHIRLIN HAS HAD TOO MANY DEVICES TO REVIEW. ARE YOU OKAY, SHIRLIN? >> NONE OF US ARE OKAY. WE'RE ALL VERY TIRED. >> CHECK OUT THE REST OF THE SHOW.

THAT IS HOW IT GOES. >> AS ALWAYS, IF YOU'RE ENJOYING THE PODCAST, BE SURE TO SUBSCRIBE TO US AND LEAVE US A REVIEW AND DROCH US AN EMAIL. >> SHIRLIN WILL BE DOING HANDS ON, YOU KNOW, COVERAGE OF THESE PHONES, SO TUNE IN TO US ON YOUTUBE TO GET SOME OF THAT ACTION. >> SO TO HELP US BREAK DOWN ALL THESE NEW PHONES AND HELP US WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE PHONE WORLD, WE BROUGHT ON THE MAN, THE LEGEND, CHRIS VELASCO, STAFF WRITER AT WASHINGTON POST, AKA, TRAITOR, AKA BEST BUY STORE 1098 EMPLOYEE, AKA MR. FANTASTIC.

HELLO, V, HOW ARE YOU DOING? >> HI. I MISSED YOU GUYS. >> MISSED YOU, TOO, V. >> I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL SAY THAT. >> WEAW EAC OTHER NOT THAT LONG AGO.

>> YOU GUYS ARE STILL IN THE SAME AREA, YES. >> IT'S GOOD TO BE BACK. IT'S GREAT TO TALK PHONES. THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON AND I THINK WE'RE ALL SUFFERING A BIT FOR IT, SO LET'S COMMISERATE A LITTLE BIT. >> LAY, I'M COMG OFF OF TWO WEEKS' VACATION.

SO I'M SORRY, GUYS. I'M SORRY IT'S BEEN SO MUCH WORK FOR ESPECIALLY SHIRLIN. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S BEEN FOR V. >> BUT BEFORE WE DIVE INTO THE SPOKEN SPECIFICALLY, I DID WANT TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF NEW PHONE SEASO WHAT IS GOING ON? FROM BOTH OF YOUR PERSPECTIVES. BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE MAJOR MOBILE REPORTERS.

YOU KNOW, 5G WAS THE BIG THING LAST YEAR. SOMEWHAT GOING ON THIS YEAR? >> I'VE PITCHERED THIS VARIOUS TIMES. I AM WORKING ON THIS STORY. BUT THE BIG TREND, AND I THINK YOU'LL AGREE WITH ME, WITH TENSER BEING ANNOUNCED JUST A COUPLE WEEKS AGO, MORE THAN EVER, I THINK CONSUMERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN DIFFERENT TYPES OF CHIP SETS AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE COMPANIES OWNING THE PRODUCTION PROCESS OF THEIR OWN CHIPS IS GOING TO FACTOR IN TO HOW WELL THESE PHONES PERFORM. IT'S NO LONGER JUST A SNAPDRAGON 800 THING COMPARED AGAINST EACH OTHER UNTIL DEATH NOW,T LEAST IN THE ANDROID WORLD.

WHILE X & Os STILL HASN'T SHOWN UP IN THE U. S. , HAS SEEMED TO IMPROVE AT LEAST WITH THE VIRGIN THAT WAS ANNOUNCED AT CES THIS YEAR. I THINK IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CHIPS, Y'ALL. >> IT'S ALL ABOUT T CHIPS.

>> WHAT? HUH? OKAY. >> MY BRAIN IS BROKEN, Y'ALL. >> YEAH, THE CHIP THING IS ONE THING BECAUSE THE TENSER STUFF, I WAS READING THAT WHILE I WAS AWAY FROM THE TECH WORLD. AND THAT SOUNDED INTERESTING, BUT IT FELT LIKE TO ME THAT GOOGLE WAS JUST LIKE, OKAY, WE'VE LITERALLY DONE ALL THE MAJOR THINGS WE CAN TO DELIVER AN iPHONE-LIKE EXPERIENCE. THE LAST THING WE CAN DO IS BUILD OUR OWN CHIPS AND CATER OUR OWN SOFTWARE.

I CAN'T IMAGINE A MAINSTREAM CONSUMER WILL GIVE AN "F" AT ALL ABOUT THE CHIP. IT'S MORE LIKE DOES THIS WORK WELL? IS THIS -- YOU KNOW, THE iPHONES -- >> IT'S NOT A SEXY TOPIC. SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF THERE. BUT IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A SEXY TOPIC. BUT I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT, LIKE, CONMERS MAY NEED TO KNOW A DIFFERENCE OVER TIME.

LIKE IS THERE REALLY -- SO, ANYWAY, THIS IS SOMETHING I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT. LET'S NOT BLOW UP THE SPOT ON THIS ARTICLE I'M WORKING ON. >> BUT YOU BLEW UP YOUR OWN SPOT. >> I KNOW. BUT IS GOOD TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK AHEAD OF TIME.

>> THE CHIP I'M WORDING ABOUT IS THE 5G STUFF. THAT PHONE WAS HUGELY POPULAR. I THINK APPLE'S LAST EARNINGS REPORT MADE IT CARHAT THEY SOLD MORE iPHONE 12s, DRAMATIC ALREADY MON THAT I NER OH MODELS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ATTUNE THAT TO BEING THAT WAS THE FIRST 5G ONE. PEOPLE FROM ANDROID AND OTHER PLATFORMS DECIDED TO JUMP ON TO iPHONE AT THAT POINT. THAT'S WHEN I GOT MY WIFE AN iPHONE 12 BECAUSE, FIRST O ALL, I WAS TIRED OF HAVING HER ON ANDROID AND WE COULDN'T USE SOME OF THE THINGS, LIKE FACETIME.

BUT ALSO, SHE DIDN'T NEED TO BE ON ANDROID. SO, ANYWAY, 5G STILL FEELS LIKE KIND OF A BUST. I GET LIKE THE LTE EQUIVALENT OF 5G. I DON'T GET THE SUPER FAST 5G. >> SO SUB-6? >> YEAH.

SO SUB-6. IS ANYTHING CHANGING THIS YEAR? >> I MEAN, V, I ALSO WANT TO HEAR JUST YOUR THOUGHT IN GENERAL ABOUT THE CHIPS AND OTHER THINGS THAT ARE TRENDY IN PHONES, BUT, YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER THIS, GO AHEAD. >> JUST TO JUMP INTO THE 5G STUFF QUICKLY, EVERYONE IS OUT THERE SAYING THEY'RE MAKING BIG PROGRESS IN TERMS OF EXPANDING THEIROOTPNT. BUT IN TERMS OF PRACTICAL BENEFITS, I STILL DON'T GET THE IMPRESSION THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE REALLY BENEFITING. AND, REALLY, THE EXPANSION OF 5G LEADS TO REALLY WEIRD EDGE CASES WHERE THINGS THAT YOU KIND OF TOOK FOR GRANTED BEFORE DON'T WORK AS WELL AS THEY USED TO.

THERE WAS AN EPIC TWEET THREAD FOR A WHILE ABOUT HOW SHE COULDN'T GET HER VERIZON 5GSIM TO WORK IN HER PHONE AND SHE KEPT BURNING THROUGH SIM CARDS. >> LITERALLY BURNING BECAUSE THEY WERE SHORTING OUT. SO YES. ELIEVE THAT WAS THE CASE, IT'S NOT LIKE THE OLD DAYS WHERE IF YOU HAVE A PHONE ISSUE, YOU CAN JUST QUICKLY ACTIVATE ANOTHER SIM AND MOVE THAT SIM AROUND FROM DEVICE TO DEVICE. THAT'S NOT A LIFESTYLE THAT YOU CAN REALLY DO, AT LEAST WITH VERIZON'S 5G SPECIFIC COIGURION.

I WAS VISITING HOME NOT TOO LONG AGO. AND I THINK LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE, I USED MY SMARTPHONE AS, LIKE, MY GPS, USING CARPLAY OR ANDROID AUTO. AND THE NUMBER OF TIMES I WOULD BE TOLD THAT I'VE GOT FULL 5G COVERAGE, BUT GOOGLE MAPS WILL SAY YOUR TRACKING DAT IS BACK BECAUSE YOU WERE OFF LINE AND WE JUST DIDN'T TELL YOU. LIKE THE NUMBER OF LITTLE THINGS THAT JUST DO NOT WORK PROPERLY IS HONESTLY STILL KIND OF MIND BOGGLING. >> YEAH.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE A RECKONING WITH THE ROLLOUT. NOT NAMING ANY NAMES, YEAH. >> WHILE WE'RE ON THIS SUBJECTS, I FULLY AGREE WITH YOU. I AM ON T-MOBILE. AND OUR PARENT COMPANY IS VERIZON WIRELESS, HEY, SO DISCLOSURE THAT THEY DON'T OWN EDITORIAL PERSPECTIVES.

>> BUT, ANYWAY, I AM STILL FIRMLY AND STUBBORNLY A USER DESPITE OUR COMPANY'S ATTEMPTS TO GET ME TO SWITCH. AND I HAVE NOT ENJOYED THE 5G EXPERIENCE ON T-MOBILE, IF ONLY BECAUSE OUT OF NOWHERE, I SWITCHED OVER TO A 5G PHONE NOT LONG AGO AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHEN I NOTICED THAT WEB PAGES STARTED LOADING SUPER SLOW, APPS STARTED LOADG SUR SL. >> AND A LOT OF DEVICES BEING PREPPED TO USE THOSE AND QUESTIONS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD BE EXPECTING DEVICES LAUNCHED THIS YEAR TO HAVE MID BAND SUPPORT. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, THE PIXEL 5A WHICH WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT AT LENGTH LATER DOES NOT HAVE MID BAND SUPPORT. AND I THINK GOOGLE WAS QUESTIONED ABOUT THAT DECISION.

AND IT'S WEIRD BECAUSE NO CARRIERS HAVE SWITCHED ON THEIR MID BAND YET. >> WHAT WOULD BE THE ADVANTAGE OF THAT? IT SHOULD BE UP THERE, BUT WITHOUT NECESSARILY NEEDING THAT LINE OF SIGHT, BUT STILL HAVE CAUSE THEY'RE LESS USED. I HAVEN'T SUPER STUDIED UP ON MID BANDS, BUT I'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT IN THESE DISCUSSIONS. V, DO YOU HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF ADVANCED STUFF? >> SO I -- NOT REALLY. I THOUGHT THE T-MOBILE HAD LAUNCHED SOME OF THEIR MID BAND STUFF.

>> YOU'RE HAVING ISSUES, A LOT OF PEOPLE I KNOW ACROSS CRIER AND JUST HAVING DATA CONNECTION ISSUES. BY THE WAY, LOOKING INTO 5G STUFF, IF YOU HAVE EXPERIENCES THAT YOU WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW ABOUT -- >> TRYING TO STEAL OUR AUDIENCE? >> I LOVE AND RESPECT ALL OF YOU. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. >> WHAT'S THAT EMAIL AGAIN FOR ALL YRAN MAIL? >> CHRIS. VELASCO@WASHPOST.

COM. >> YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT EMAIL, FOLKS. >> SO WHAT OTHER TECH -- BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GET ON TO PHONES, FOLKS. SO UNDER DISPLAY CAMERAS FOR FRONT FACING CAMERAS, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A THING I SAW MOR AND MORE ABOUT. ALTHOUGH NONE OF THAT HAS IMPRESSED ME.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE CAN LOOK FORWARD TO? IT DOES SEEM LIKE, YOU KNOW, A NEW GENERATION OF FOLDABLES ARE IN THE MIX THIS YEAR. >> FROM A HARDWARE PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY TRUE. SO 5G, WHAT I'M INTERESTED IN TRACKING FOR THE REST OF 2021 AND BEYOND THAT, LG. >> FOR A WHILE, BUT NOT RECENTLY. >> LET SO TOWARDS THE END.

>> GOOGLE HAS MADE SOME BIG CLAIMS. SHIRLIN AND I BOTH SPOKE TO RICK, THEIR HEAD OF DEVICES AND SERVICES. HE'S MADE VERY CLEAR THAT --S THE GOOGLE PHONE AND THEY'RE GOING TO INVEST IN THIS FOR SUCCESS. SO MAYBE WE SEE THIS LANDSCAPE, START TO SHIFT FINALLY. >> IT ONLY TOOK A DECADE FOR A PROPER GOOGLE PHONE.

THEY'VE TRIED THIS SO MANY TIMES. >> I THINK THE NEXT IOS, IS IT 15 NOW? I'M BETA TESTING THE NEW IOS. I THINK SOFTWARE WISE, WE'RE GOING TO SEE A TIME OF BENEFITS. BUT MAYBE WITH THE PHONES COMING OUT, WE'RE EXPECTING WTEVE THE NEXT iPHONES ARE CALLED. I REALLY DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING TO GO FOR iPHONE 13, BUT WE'RE ALL COMING IT iPHONE 13 NOW, THAT WHOLE FAMILY LINE.

>> THE PIXELEDS DO LOOK REMARKABLY DIFFERENT, BUT IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW FEATURES WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE, BESIDES CHIP SETS, DEFINITELY NOT. >> IS ALL UNDER. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW. LET'S MOVE ON TO -- YEAH. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY, I THINK THAT'S AN ACCURATE INTERPRETATION, FOR THE NEXT YEAR OR SO, WE'RE NOTOING TO SEE HARDWARE CHANGES BE THE BIG COMPETITION I THINK IT IS IN SOFTWARE THAT WE WILL SEE COMPANIES PUSH TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND COMPETE WITH EACH OTHER.

>> MAYBE IT'S A THING WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR A WHILE. GIVE US BETTER SOFTWARE EXPERIENCES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EACH OTHER. >> IT'S THEIR 6.7 INCH PHONE, IT HAS A LARGER EXTERNAL DISPLAY THAN THE 4. AND I LIKE BEHIND THE SCENES STUFF ON THIS PODCAST. AND SO WHEN WE WERE MAKG THE DECISION, FOR ME, I PERSONALLY FELT LIKE IT'S THE MOST INTERESTING.

I WANT TO USE IT THE MOST. IT'S THE FIRST TIME A PHONE HAS BEEN AFFORDABLE PHONE HAS BEEN PRICED LIKE A REGULAR FLAGSHIP. SO THEN IN TALKING TO OUR REVIEWERS FRIENDS. AND MORE, IT LOOKS LIKE ALL OF US ARE GOING TO START WITH THE FLIP3. WE'RE MOSTLY INTERESTED IN THE FLIP3.

>> BUT, OF COURSE, LISTENER KN. WER IF YOU DISAGREE, LETE >> DO YOU FEEL THAT THE FLIP LOVE IS SURPRISING, JUST LOOKING AT THIS NEW STUFF BECAUSE WE'RE SO USED TO TAKING OUR PHONES O OF OUR POCKETS AND JUST LOOKING AT THE SCREEN. WHAP GOOD IS A FLIP PHONE WHERE YOU KIND OF HAVE -- YOUR IMPULSE IS ALWAYS TO HAVE IT OPEN, BASICALLY. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. WHEN DO YOU ACTUALLY FLIP IT CLOSED? >> V, TELL ME, DO YOU FEEL DIFFERENTLY? >> NO.

I COMPLELY DISAGREE. MAYBE IT'S JUST ME. MAYBE I'M A PERSON WHO REALLY HAS SUCCESS WITH THIS STUFF AND HAS NOW MAYBE GROWN UP A LITTLE BIT. I AM COMPLETELY OF THE MIND THAT I DON'T NEED TO BE LOOKING AT A PHONE SCREEN ALL THE TIME. WHAT I REALLY LIKE ABOUT THE FLIP 3, IN ADDITION TO IT BEING ERY AFFORDABLE ENTRY POINT FOR PEOPLE WHO ALWAYS WONDERED ABOUT FOLDABLES BUT NEVER GOT THE CHANCE TO TRY THEM IS THE SORT OF PHYSICAL REMOVE THAT IT GIVES YOU FROM THE REST OF THERE DIGITAL WORLD THAT WE'VE STEEPED OURSELVES IN, RIGHTS? LIKE I CAN DO EXACTLY WHAT I NEED TO ON THIS, WT IIT, THE 6.7 INCH DISPLAY. IT WORKS JUST LIKE A REGULAR SMARTPHONE.

AND WHEN I DON'T NEED IT, I CAN HOLD IT AND PUT IT AWAY AND TRY AND LIVE MY LIFE. IT'S NICE. >> IT'S LIKE PHONE JAIL. AWAY FROM ME, LIKBE GONE, YOU DEVIL. >> HERE IS THE THING.

I FULLY AGREE WITH V AND IF ANYTHING BRINGS UP LIKE A TREND, BOTH IN SOFTWARE AND THIS VERSION OF HARDWARE THAT WE MIGHT START SEEING IN THE SMARTPHONE WORLD, THE COMPANIES TRYING TO OFFER MEA FOR YOU TO DISCONNECT. AND IT'S BEEN HAPPENING FOR A WHILE, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT DIGITAL WELL BEING, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IOS NOTIFICATION PROFILES THAT ARE COMING UP IN 15, THESE ARE MEANT TO HELP YOU MANAGE YOUR WORK LIFE BALANCING A LITTLE BIT BETTER. AND I DON'T THINK THELIP 3 WAS NECESSARILY DESIGNED TO DO THAT. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, YEAH. BUT I AGREE WITH YOU THERE.

BUT WHEN YOU'RE CLOSING THE SCREEN AND YOU'RE PUTTING IT AWAY, IT DOES FEEL LIKE I'M DONE, I'M GOING TO FOCUS AND LIVE IN THE MOMENT FOR A WHILE. THAT SAID, YOU CAN DO THE SAME. WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING AT ME? >> YEAH. THIS IS A JOKE AND WILL TRANSLATE INTO THE AUDIO. >> LET ME JUST SEE HERE.

IT SEEMS LIKE SAMSUNG'S BIG GOAL WAS THE PHONE GOES CLICK, THE PHONE GOES CLICK, THAT'S IT. I'M NOT EVEN THINKING ABOUT HEALTH AND WELL BEING AND STUFF. THE PHONE GOES BRRR, BASICALLY. SO HOW IS THIS FLIP 3 VERSUS THE LAST COUPLE OF MODELS? >> IS IT A GOOD-BYE? IS IT DURABLE? THE CAMERAS ARE NOT THE BEST IN THE WORLD. >> SO IT IS A DOWNGRADE, RIGHT? CAMERAWISE, THEY HAVEO ME SOME CONCESSIONS TO FLIP.

>> IT IS SUCH A MINOR -- LIKE IN MY REVIEW, I SAID THAT THEY BASICALLY HOLD THEIR OWN AGAINST REGULAR FLAGSHIPS. SO THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IS THAT IT'S ONLY DUAL CAMERAS. MOST OTHER PHONES IN THIS PRICE RANGE HAVE A THIRD LENS. DO I NEED THE ULTRA WIDE PHOTO LENS? >> YES. >> NOT ALL THE TIME.

AND THE ADDITIONAL ZOOM IS FINE. I HAVEN'T PUBLISHED MY CAMERAS YET, BUT IN THE VIDEO, THERE ARE CUTS TO SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISONS AGAINST PIXEL 5. WHICH I THINK WAS THE -- I MEAN, IT'S MY PERSONAL GOLD STANDARD FOR PHOTOS ON A PHONE, ANYWAY. V, HAVE YOU DONE THAT SORT OF AD TO HEAD TESTING IN TERMS OF THE FLIP 3 CAMERAS? >> PRETTY -- I MEAN, PRETTY CURSORY LEVEL OF TESTING WITH THE CAMERA STUFF SO FAR. YOU KNOW, FOR THE WAY I KIND OF THINK ABOUT CAMERAS NOW IS PERHAPS A LITTLE LESS TECHNICAL THAN I DID WHEN I REVIEWED FOR ENGADGET.

BUT I THINK THE DIFFERENCES IS IN GENERAL PHOTO QUALITY, IN THE SITUATIONS PEOPLE ARE MOST LIKELY TO USE THESE THINGS IN. SO BRIGHT DAYLIGHT, LOW LIGHT SITUATIONS, I WOULD STILL GIVE A PIXEL AN EDGE. GOOGLE'S PHOTOGRAPHY IS JUST THAT -- BUT SAMSUNG IN THIS PHONE IS REALLY NOT THAT FAR BEHIND. THEY HAVE COME A LONG WRA. I'M REALLY CURIOUS, WHAT HAS YOUR EXPERIENCE BEEN LIKE WITH THE Z FLIP 3'S BATTERY? >> EXACTLY.

SO I -- MAN, I WISH I COULD GO SUPER BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT I WILL JUST SAY THAT ALL THE PEOPLE I HAVE BEEN TALKING TO HAVE HAD SHORTER BATTERY LIVE THAN USUAL WITH THE FLIP 3. AND I AGREE. FOR ME BEEN IN MY REVIEW I SAID THIS, AS WELL, IT NEVER GOES A FULL DAY WITHOUT A CHARGE. IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE PLUGGED IN AT THE END OF THE DAY AT THE VERY LEAST. I'M STILL FINISHING OUR BATTERY TEST BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVER THAT MUCH TIME TO RUN BATTERY TESTS ON THIS THING.. BUT MY DAILY USE IS ABOUT 12ISH TO 15ISH HOURS BEFORE NEE T PLUG IT BACK IN, DEPENDING ON WHETHER I HAVE ENABLED THE ALWAYS ON DISPLAY ON THE OUTSIDE SCREEN.

AND THE DEVICE, DESPITE HAVING HIGHER REFRESH RATE THAN ITS PREDECESSOR, A LARGER EXTERNAL DISPLAY, A NEW STEREO SPEAKER BATTERY. IT ONLY HAS THE SAME IT'S THE SAME SIZE BATTERY DOING ALL THESE NEW THINGS. SO, OF COURSE, ITS BATTERY LIFE IS GOING TO SUFFER. BUT I ALSO DON'T THINK SAMSUNG WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND MORE SPACE TO JAM IN MORE CELLS OR A BIGGER CELL. >> LET'S SAY ON A FOLDING PHONE LIKE THIS, TOO, YOU'RE PROBABLY CONSTRAINED WITH T WAYOU DO BATTERY STUFF, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT ALL HAS TO BE IN ONE HALF.

>> NO, IT -- >> IS IT SPREAD ACROSS BOTH HALVES? >> YEAH. SAMSUNG IS A BATTERY THING. SO IT'S ABOUT 1250? NO. MY MATH IS FAILING BECSE I'V HAD NO SLEEP. SO THEN THEY ADD UP TO 3300.

>> SO THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING. IF YOU FINDING THAT YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO FOLD IT? LIKE DO YOU ENJOY THE FOLDING ACTION? DO YOU ENJOY PUTTING IT AWAY? >> WHAT? THAT'S GREAT. >> YEAH. >> YEA >> I NEVER HAVE IT OPEN. V, TELL ME IF YOU'RE DOING THIS.

I NEVER HAVE IT OPEN. IT'S I FLIP IT SHUT. THE ONLY REASON I HAVE IT OPEN RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE I WAS RUN AGO BATTERY TEST. YES, WHEN I WAS RUNNING A BATTERY TEST, I LEFT THE SCREEN OPEN. BUT, V, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE NOTICED THIS, WHEN I SHUT IT AND I PUT IT SOMEWHERE THAT'S EVER ONLY SLIGHTLY UNEVEN, IT'S SLIPPERY AS HELL.

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S SO FUNNY THAT THAT HASN'T HAPPENED TO ME. BECAUSE I THINK EVERYONE IN THIS CHAT RIGHT NOW CAN CONFIRM THAT I AM THE CLUMSIEST PERSON THAT MAYBE HAS EVER WORKED AT ENGADGET. AND I HAVE NOT DROPPED THIS THING ONCE. THIS IS BEFORE -- SAMSUNG SENT OUT A LITTLE LATER LIKE THESE CASES TO TRY OUT. AND I ONLY JUST PUT THESE THINGS.

BUT BEFORE THAT, I WAS SORT OF TREATING THIS THING THE WAY I ALWAYS DO, WHICH IS KIND OF LIKE A BIG DUMBNY. BUT IT'S BEEN SO MUCH FUN. I AM IMPRESSED. >> DO YOU HAVE THE CASE? >> OH, YEAH. SO I DID JUST TAKE IT OFF BECAE I'M A NERVOUS, FIDGETY PERSON.

>> I AM FREE BALLING MY -- >> I FREE BALL, AS WELL. BUT THE CASE -- SO THEY SENT OVER THIS SORT OF FUN, SILICONE CASE WITH THE HOOK. >> YEAH. >> THEY ALSO SENT OVER THIS, WHICH DOESN'T PLAY INTO THE AUDIO VERSION,UT HERE IS THIS SORT OF LEATHER VERSION. >> IT'S A BLACK LEATHER? >> YEAH.

>> IT ACTUALLY FOLDS. IT'S LIKE A WALLET. THAT IS NICE. >> IT'S ACTUALLY -- IT'S STILL PRETTY COMFORTABLE TO USE WITH THE CASE ON. >> DID YOU GET THE FUN CASE WITH THE EXTRA STRAP AND THE COLOR? >> I GOT THE FUN CASE IN A NOT FUN COLOR.

I THINK IT WAS DARK BLUE. >> MINE IS NEON PINK FOR SOME >> SHIRLIN, YOU SAID YOU HAD A FUN STORY ABOUT THIS CASE. >> SO IN THE EDITS -- OR IN WRITING THIS REVIEW, I WANTED TO FIND A WAY TO EXPLAIN THE TECH TILE FEELING OF SCROLLING PAST THE -- ON THE SCREEN. BECAUSE I ENJOY IT. IT SOMEHOW FEELS ESSENTIAL TO ME.

>> THIS IS LIKE SOME ELBOW GREASE ACTION? I'M NOT GOING TO SHAME YOUR CASE, BUT OKAY. >> THAT'S NOT MY KINK, BUT PEOPLE KEEP KING RIGHT? I WANTED TO BE LIKE, LOOK, IF YOU SCROLL PAST IT, IT'S ALL GOOD. SO SCROLLING PAST, IT FEELS LIKE A SOFT, NAKED TENDON. >> WHAT? WHATRE Y TALKING ABOUT? >> MY EDITOR WAS LIKE, WHY ARE YOU SO GROSS? BUT IT'S EXACTLY -- I DON'T KNOW, V, IF YOU AGREE. >> YOU STROKE TENDONS FOR FUN? >> WHAT IS THIS? >> THIS IS HOW YOU CAN TELL SHIRLIN DOESN'T COOK, BY THE WAY.

BECAUSE WHEN I THINK OTENDONS, I THINK OF HARD MUSCLES THAT YOU HAVE TO COOK -- >> YOU DON'T COOK TENDONS. >> DO YOU COOK? >> THE WORD -- I REALIZED MUCH LATER ON IN OUR SECOND ROUND -- >> THAT BENDS AND FOLDS. >> YEAH. BUT, V, WHEN YOU START -- YEAH, TELL ME WHAT YOU FEEL. >> I AM PHYSICALLY TOUCHING THIS RIGHT NOW.

AND I DO NOT UNDERSTAND PIT. >> YOU HAVE TO BE STROKING IT A LITTLE BIT. >> I'M STROKING IT. >> LET'S HIT EJECT HERE, RIGHT HERE. >> I WILL SAY, THOUGH, THAT I UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING A CREASE AND WHAT IT WOULD LIKE LIKE AS YOU'RE FLICKING AROUND IT, BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE THIS IS A TALLER, NARROWER DISPLAY, I HONESTLY DON'T EVEN TOUCH IT THAT MUCH.

MOST OF MY SCROLLING TENDS TO PPEN IN THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE SCREEN NATURALLY. >> YEAH. YOU'RE JUST LIKE -- YEAH, YOU'VE TRAINED YOURSELF TO AVOID THAT ONE BIT OF IMPERFECTION. >> YEAH. >> I DON'T WANT TO -- I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE CASE, BUT FINE.

>> I THINK IN GENERAL, WE ALL DO THE BOTTOM HALF, YEAH. >> IT'S MUCH EAER,UT EVERY NOW AND THEN, I'LL SCROLL PAST IT AND IT FEELS SO GOOD TO ME. BUT SPEAKING OF USE THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE DISPLAY, I WILL SAY THIS. I NEVER KNEW THAT THAT IS WHAT FLEX MODE ENDED UP BEING ACTUALLY USEFUL FOR. >> THEN YOUR CONTENDS IS ACTUALLY IN THE TOP.

AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS REALLY -- THE WAY THEY DEMONSTRATED, A LOT OF THE TIME, THEY'RE JUST PROPPING IT UP ON A TABLE AND THEN THE CONTROL PANELS. >> WATCH SOME YOUTUBE VIDEOS. >> IT'S ACTLLYF YOU'RE TRYING TO USE IT AS, LIKE, A ONE-HANDED THING IF YOU'RE ON THE SUBWAY, IF EVER -- OR YOU'RE LEANING BACK ON YOUR COUCH. AND FOR ME, LIKE I CAN'T REACH THINGS ACROSS THE SCREEN BECAUSE THE 6.7 INCH SCREEN AND THE NARROW TALL ASPECT RATIO MAKE IT REALLY ACTUALLY HARDOEACH CERTAIN ELEMENTS. BUT FLEX MODE MADE IT EASIER.

HAVE YOU HAD THIS SXERCHS, V? >> I HONESTLY HAVING USED IT THAT MUCH. LIKE IT JUST -- IT FEELS LIKE A BIT OF A CONTRIVANCE. IT'S A REASON THAT YOU CAN USE THERE PHONE PARTIALLY FOLD IF YOU WANT TO, BUT LIKE NONE OF MY, LIKE, ACTUAL DAY-TO-DAY USE CASES EVER BENEFIT FROM THAT, REALLY. >> IT SEEMS MORE LIKE, HEY, THIS IS AN ACCIDENTAL THING THAT HAPPENS BECAUSE WE HAVE THIS FOLDABLE. T'S ILD A LITTLE SOFTWARE AROUND IT.

BUT IF YOU WERE SITTING IN A COFFEE SHOP AND YOU HAD THIS THING PROPPED UP NEXT TO YOU, I WOULD THINK, OH, WE'RE KIND OF IN THE FUTURE HERE. THAT IS COOL. ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANT TO ADD ABOUT THE FLIP THREE ESPECIALLY AS WE MOVE ON TO THE FOLD THREE, TO ME, AGAIN, IT SEEMS LIKE EXCITEMENT. THE FOLD IS KIND OF LIKE, HEY, THE FLIP IS CHEAPER. >> THIS IS COMING FROM A GUY WHO WAS AN INCREDIBLE GENIUS LAST YEAR.

BUT WHAT SAMSUNG DID WELL HERE, AND I HAVE TO GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR IS THEY GOT AROUND TO MAKING THE SOFTWARE CONSIDERABLY MORE USABLE. IT FEELS MUCH MORE CAPABLE NOW. >> NOW YOU HAVE A WAY TO FORCE INSTAGRAM TO TAKE UP THE WHOLE SCENE. THAT IS LIKE A SETTING MEMO THAT YOU CAN JUMP INTO. AND, LIKE, IT DOES HELP.

IT'S NOT, TO BE CLEAR, PERFECT. INSTAGRAM IS THE ONE EXAMPLE WE KEEP COMING BACK TO BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST USED APP THAT DOES NOT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THIS KIND OF DEVICE. AND ONLY IF YOU SWITCH TO A THREE ASPECT RATIO, SO IT KIND OF FEELS THE SCREEN. >> THIS IS AN ANDROID PROBLEM. RIGHT? YOU SAY THEY GO INTO ANDROID TABLET APP MODE, BUT THOSE DON'T EXIST.

KE TY D'T -- NOT REALLY. YOU KNOW? IT'S A BLOWN UP -- IT'S THE PHONE APP BLOWN UP FOR A BIGGER SCREEN. BUT IT'S NOT LIKE AN iPAD OPTIMIZED VERSION OF A TABLET. >> I'VE SEEN THIS ISSUE WITH THREE SCREENS IN TOELGDZ AT THIS POINT. ONE, THE FLEX -- THE FOLD 3'S INSIDE SCREEN.

TWO, THE FOLD 3'S OUTSIDE SCREEN AND THE FLIP 3'S INSIDE SCREEN. THEY'RE ALL IN SUCH UNCOMMON RATIOS THAT SOME APPS DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL TO DO WITH IT. >> IT FEELS LIKE AN APP FROM 1999 SOMETIMES. SO FAR, THE CATAN APP IS ONE YOU'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN WITH. >> ONE THING, TOO, THAT YOU POINT OUT THAT TABLET APPS AREN' TO MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR TO WHOEVER IS TUNING IN, WHAT WE MEAN BY A GOOD TABLET APP, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVEN'T USED iPAD OR YOU HAVEN'T USED A GOOD TABLET APP, IT'S YOU WON'T KNOW.

YOUR LEFT CAN BE DEVOTED TO THE SCROLL THROUGH THEM. ND YOU CAN SO INSTEAD OF THE MESSAGE TAKING UP YOUR ENTIRE SCREEN, AND YOU STILL HAVE TO REACH UP TO THE TOP LEFT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A WELL DESIGNED TABLET APP. THERE'S BASICALLY A HANDFUL. >> WHI MAK THE POINT OF HAVING A BIG, BIG SCREEN PHONE IS KIND OF POINTLESS TO ME.

HOW IS THE FULL 3 EXPERIENCE? IS THE SCREEN BETTER? DOES IT FEEL BETTER TO FOLD? >> I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I THINK THE SCREEN DOES FEEL BETTER. THIS IS BECAUSE I HAVE LIVED WITH THE FULL SCREEN FOR A YEAR. >> IT'S NOT A BAD SCREEN AT ALL. IT WILL WORK THERE WAY TOWARDS THE MIDDLE. BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, THE SCREEN, BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL PLASTIC LAYERS UNDER THERE DOES GO A LONG WAY IN MAKING THE SCREEN FEEL A BIT MO LIK ACTL GLASS.

THAT DOES NOT SEEMONDUVE TO POKEY STYLE. >> SO I WANT TO JUMP IN AND ADD TO -- YES, I DIDN'T USE THE OLD FOLD -- THE FOLD 2, ANYWAY, ALL THAT MUCH. ON THE SCREEN,HE OUTSIDE SCREEN IN ADDITION TO THE INSIDE. I DON'T MIND IT. BUT IN THIS -- LIKE I WAS TRYING TO -- I REALIZED NEITHER RATIO WORKS THAT WELL FOR ME.

I WAY PROFESSOR MY SMARTPHONE'S SIZE BECAUSE IT'S NOT SO TALL. AND I DON'T REALLY ALWAYS WANT INRACT WITH IT AS A TABLET. SO THAT IS KIND OF WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH AT THE MOMENT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO, LIKE, MINIMIZE THAT ISSUE CAUSE IT NOW STRETCHES WITH THE SCREEN. >> 1800 FOR THE FILL 3.

>> DOWN FROM WHAT -- >> THE ORIGINAL PRICE WAS LIKE $1999, 1980, BASICALLY $2,000. YOU CAN GET SO MUCH FOR THAT MONEY. >> YOU CAN EASILY BUY, LIKE, PROBABLY -- YOU CAN PROBABLY GET A DECENT DEAL ON AN iPAD PRO AND ON AN iPHONE 12. >> YOU BETTER. >> I THINK, YEAH, THIS IS THE DEVICE THAT IS DEFINITELY MORE LIKE -- THIS IS TWO DEVICES IN ONE AND IT'S MORE PREMIUM AND MORE COMPONENTS.

THAT'S WHY IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE. AND I GET IT BUT AS A REMINDER OR IN CASE Y DON KNOW, THE FLIP 3 NOW COSTS $1,000 AS OPPOSED TO BETWEEN $1200 AND 1300 BEFORE. WHICH NOW I FEEL LIKE IT'S A BETTER PRICE. WILL IT EVER BE A GOOD PRICE ENOUGH FOR MAINSTREAM? YES, THERE WILL BE PRICE DROPS AND WHATNOT. BUT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO USE AS YOUR MAIN PHONE, OH, MAN, IT'S ALMOST THERE.

I JUST DON'T KNOW IF WE REALLY NEED A FOLDING PHONE YET. >> YOU GET TO THE TRUTH. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED A FOLDING PHONE YET. IS THAT YOUR MAIN TAKE AWAY, YOU STILL DON'T KNOW IF FOLDING PHONES ARE WORTH IT? >> YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT STILL VERY MUCH SEEMS TO BE THE CASE. THESE PHONES ARE GREAT.

THESE ARE THE BEST FOLDABLES THAT HAVE EVER BEEN MADE. BUT THEY'RE JUST -- ASIDE FROM THE FOLD 3 BEING ABLE TO SWAP BETWEEN RELATIVELY FUNCTIONAL DEVICE TYPES, LIKE NO ONE IS REALLY THINKING ABOUT TS. IT FEELS LIKE A SOLUTION TO A PROBLEM PEOPLE AREN'T CLAMORING FOR A FIX. >> IT'S INTERESTING AND EXCITING, BUT NOT THE MOST NECESSARY IN OUR LIVES RIGHT NOW. >> THE MAIN PROBLEMS I THINK OF ON A CONSUMER LEVEL IS BATTERY LIFE AND DURABILITY.

>> THOSE ARE HARD TO TELL RIGHT NOW, YEAH. YEAH. >> SO, YEAH. >> SPEAKING OF THINGS THAT -- SPEAKING OF THINGS THAT NOBODY REALLY ACTUALLY NEEDS, BUT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT JUST WANT, I ALSO GOT TO PLAY WITH AOM BROWN EDITION OF -- >> OKAY. SURE.

LET'S LOOK OVER IT. >> NOT THAT YOU NEED IT, BUT THE AESTHETIC -- >> THE AESTHETIC, WHICH IS LINES. LINES. >> DO YOU LIKE IT? >> IT'S RED, WHITE AND BLUE LINES. IT'S BASICALLY THE OLYMPICS.

THEY'RE NOT JUST ANY LINES. THEY'RE TOM BROWN RED, WHITE AND BLUE LINES. >> YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN, LOOK, I WOULD JUST SAY THIS, GO CHECK OUT THE ARTICLE ON ENGADGET BECAUSE I MANAGED TO INTERVIEW TOM BROWN HIMSELF TO TALK ABOUT THE COLLABORATION, WHEN IT TAKES THE STYLE AOM BROWN EDITION OF FOLDABLES, ETCETERA.

SO CHECK IT OUT. BUT IN PERSON, I THINK THEY'RE REALLY PRETTY. >> TO BE HONEST, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE MORE DESIGNER COLLABS ON TECH. YOU KNOW, ON TECH DESIGN. YEAH.

MORE. >>HERE BN SOME, BUT I'M. SAYING MORE. >> REAL ME JUST HAD AN INTERESTING COLLAB. BUT, YEAH, IN THE U.

S. , AT LEAST, PHONE DESIGN, UNFORTUNATELY, TENDS TO BE A LITTLE MORE CONVENTIONAL BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO MOVE UNITS. THEY NEED STUFF THAT, KE, REACHES TO EVERYBODY. TOM BROWN IS JUST LIKE THIS IS RIDICULOUS. YOU MADE -- IT'S THREE LINES.

YOU MADE A RECTANGLE WITH THREE LINES. WHAT ARE YOU DOING? LIKE YOU GOT PAID FOR THAT? ARE YOU SERIOUS? IT'S BASICALLY THE FRENCH FLAG, BUT COLOR REVERSED. >> MEANWHILE, SHIRLIN IS LIKE, SO YOU SPELL TOM WITH AN "H. " I LOVE IT OPINION. >> I WAS SO CONFUSED WHEN I FOUND OUT HE WAS AMERICAN.

I WAS LIKE, WAIT. >> IT'S AMANG. LET'S MOVE ON. >> A MUCH MORE REASONABLY PRICED PHONE. >> COMPLETELY ON THE OPPOSITE END OF THE SPECTRUM, WHAT IS UP WITH THIS THING? I READ A REVIEW AND A HDLINE BY ONE OF OUR MANAGING EDITORS.

HIS TITLE IS THE 4A 5G WASN'T BROKEN TO SO GOING OGLE DIDN'T IT. THAT'S IT. THAT'S THE REVIEW. >> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? >> I HAD THE PLEASURE OF EDITING TERRENCE'S REVIEW FOR THIS ONE. AND, YEAH.

IN READING IT AND HAVING ONE MYSELF, I FULLY AGREE WITH HIM. BASICALL IYOUOOK AT THE ACTUAL CHANGES TO THE 5A, ADD WATER RESISTANCE. >> OKAY. >> AND I THINK MAYBE A SLIGHTLY BIGGER BATTERY SO IT'S INSANELY LONG LASTING RIGHT NOW. >> WATER RESISTANCE, I SHOULDN'T LAUGH BECAUSE IT IS AN ESSENTIAL FEATURE TO EVERY SINGLE PHONE.

>> IT IS MUCH MORE ESSENTIAL THAN WIRELESS CHARGING WHICH THIS PHONE DOES NOT HAVE. >> WELL, WHEN THE 4A WAS LAUNCHED, NO ONE COMPLAINED ABOUT THE LACK OF WIRELESS CHARGING. BUT AT LEAST EADGET DID COMPLAIN ABOUT THE LACK OF WATER RESISTANCE. SO GOOD IMPROVEMENT HERE, GOOGLE, BUT THAT'S IT. THE CHIP SET IS THE SAME.

THE RAM IS THE SAME. >> IS THE DESIGN THE SAME? >> PRETTY MUCH. >> IT'S STILL KIND OF BLACK. >> SO THE 4A, 5G WAS A WEIRD DEVICE, RIGHT? AND THE 5G CAME A COUPLE OF MONTHS AFTER, RIGHT? >> YES. IT WAS LAUNCHED WITH PIXEL 5.

SLIGHTLY MORE MONEY, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS -- INCH SCREEN SO IT WAS A SMALLER PHONE. THE 4A, 5G IS A BIT BIGGER. IT HAS LIKE -- NUMBERS, AGAIN, I'M SORRY, WITH THE ECT DETAILS RIGHT NOW I CAN'T. BUT IT ALSO HAD, LIKE, 5G SUPPORT WHEREAS THE ORIGINAL 4A I BELIEVE DOESN'T. AND THEN IT COSTS LIKE $100 OR -- ACTUALLY, $150 MORE, ABOUT $499.

THIS TIME AROUND, THE 5A COST 450. AND THEN IT'S THE 4A 5G. THE CHEAPER 4A 5G WITH WATER RESISTANCE. >> THAT'S IT. AND FRANKLY, THAT'S ENOUGH.

>> SURE. SURE. IT'S CHEAP. >> AND COVERING ALL OF THE STUFF, THERE WERE TWO THINGS THAT I ABSOLUTELY LOVE. I LOVE COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS OVER THE TOP ALMOST CONCEPT-LIKE DEVICES THAT SOMEHOW FIND THEIR WAY TO MARKET, LIKE THE Z FOLD, LIKE THE LG WING.

AND ON THE OTHER END, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE CHEAP, GOOD PHONES. >> YES. LOVE IT. >> AND THIS IS A CHEAP, GD PHONE. LIKE THE PIXEL 3AXL, TO ME, IS STILL PROBABLY THE BEST ANDROID PHONE OF ALL TIME.

BECAUSE IT RAN LIKE A DREAM. >> YES. >> ANDROID WAS SUPER CLEAN. THE CAMERA WAS SOLID. LI WHAT ELSE DOES SOMEONE NEED? AND BECAUSE THE iPHONE DOESN'T EXIST ANY MORE, THE PIXEL 5A FITS INTO WHERE THIS LEFT OFF.

>> I THINK THE A PHONES HAVE EN T -- DON'T SPEND THAT MONEY ON A PREMIUM PHONE WHEN YOU CAN GET THE LAST GEN TECH WHEN YOU CAN GET A SLIGHTLY NEW CASE. IT SEEMS SMARTER FOR MORE PEOPLE. >> IT'S THE PHONE THAT SHOWS THAT GOOGLE WANTS TO REACH THE MASSES, AS WELL. AND IT'S THINKING ABOUT, LIKE, YOU KNOW, ACCESSIBILITY THAT WAY. I WILL SAY I HAVE AN ANECDOTE THAT -- SO I WAS HELPING TERRENCE OUT WITH THIS REVIEW BECAUSE WE WERE SO PRESSED FOR TIME, ALL OF US.

AND TERRENCE KINDLY OFFERED TO REVIEW THIS PHONE ON MY BEHALF SO I DON'T HAVE TO REVIEW FIVE PHONES AT ONCE. BUT THE BATTERY TEST I RAN ON MY 5A, HOLY CRAP, IT LASTED LIKE 22 1/2 HOURS ON OUR BATTERY TEST. THAT'S THE LONGEST A PHONE HAS EVER LASTED I THINK ON OUR TESTS, WHICH IS VIDEO LOOPING. BUT BEFORE I GAVE -- BEFORE I TESTED THIS PHONE, I WAS TRYING TO RUN A FULLY COMPLETE -- THE 4 A 5 G'S BATTERY TEST FOR HIM BECAUSE I WASN'T ABLE TO COMPLETE IT THE LAST TIME AROUND. AND I WENT AND DID THE TEST AND EVERYTHING AND I WAS LIKE, WAIT, WHY IS THE NUMBER SO LOW? I REALIZED I HAD YOU KNOW MY BATTERY TEST ON THE 3AX0 INSTEAD OF THE 4A 5G.

THIS IS HOIM PHONES I HAVE AT HOME. >> YOU NEED TO DECLUTTER. >> IF YOU LOOK BEHIND ME ON OUR LIVE STREAM, IT'S A MESS IN MY OFFICE. BUT DR BASICALLY PIXEL 5A IS GOOD? IS GOOD, AS USUAL? >> IF YOU CAN GET IT. >> IF YOU CAN GET IT.

>> SHIRLIN, TO YOUR EARLIER POINT ABOUT THIS BEING A MASS MARKETPLACE, THAT'S TOTALLY TRUE, BUT BECAUSE OF SUPPLY CONSTRAINTS, THIS PHONE IS ONLY AVAIBLE THE. S. AND JAPAN. >> OH. >> SO, SORRY, EVERYBODY.

>> SORRY, EVERYONE ELSE. >> I'M -- YEAH. THAT'S LIKE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE VERY PREVALENT IN THE U. S. RIGHT NOW AND THAT THE REST OF THE WORLD DOESN'T HAVE.

THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY. LIKE VACCINES. SHIRLIN, YOU HAVE ONE OTHER THING, WHICH I THINK MANY OTHER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BUY, BUT THE SNAP DRAGON FORINSIDERS, WHAT IS GOING ON? >> OI, OI, OI. >> WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, IT SEEMED LIKE A JOKE. >> SADLY NOT A JOKE.

IT WAS NOT EVEN A CONCEPT DEVICE QUALCOMM WAS TRYING TO DO. IT'S CALLED THE SRTPHEOR SNAP DRAGON INSIDERS, BUT ANYONE CAN BUY IT AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE -- WE REVIEWED IT BECAUSE SHOULD YOU, SHOULD YOU BUY IT, SHOULD ANYONE, IT'S A $1500 PHONE WITH A 6.8 INCH SCREEN THAT IS BASICALLY A SHOWCASE FOR ALL OF QUALCOMM'S STRENGTHS, OR SO IT SAYS, RIGHT? >> THIS, BY THE WAY, WE'RE LOOKING AT REVIEWS HERE. ONE OF THE LOWEST SCORES YOU'VE EVER GIVEN. >> I WANTED TO GIVE IT MUCH LOWER. >> A 62, WOW.

>> PART OF THE REASON IS IT WAS A VERY FRUSTRATINGEVIE PROCESS BECAUSE QUALCOMM THROUGHOUT THE THING, FIRST OF ALL, THEY WERE LIKE, OH, SORRY, DON'T PUBLISH THIS DAY, PUBLISH ANOTHER DAY. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE A WEEK LATER IT WAS LIKE, OH, SORRY, THE OTA UPDATE FOR THE CAMERA IS NOT READY YET, BUT THE XO SAYS IT REAY GOOD. SCORE, THOUGH. AND BASED ON MY TESTING IT'S CRAP. AND THEY'RE LIKE, NO, THE OT UPDATE WILL FIX THAT, BUT I COULDN'T GET THE OT UPDATE AFTER.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO REVIEW A PHONE BASED ON PROMISES FOR YOU. >> THIS IS WHEN WE WERE LIKE, ALCOMM, YOU ARE NOT A PHONE COMPANY. YOU ARE A CHIP DESIGN COMPANIES. >> TO BE FAIR, THEY WORKED WITH ACES ON THIS. THE SCREEN HAS A 144 HERTZ REFRESH RATE.

IT HAS A NICE, BIG BATTERY THAT LASTED LONG. IT'S A SHOWCASE FOR SNAP DRAGON SOUND. IT COMES WITH A PAIR OF MASTER AND DYNAMIC EAR BUDS. WITH THAT PRICE. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT LIKE SUPER FAST CHARGING, WHICH WASN'T THAT FAST ANYWAY.

BUT -- AND THEN LIKE VERY BASIC TRIPLE CAMERA SETUP, 64 MEGA PIXEL, MAIN SENSOR AND ULTRA WIDE TELEPHONE. >> OVERALL, UNDERWHELMING. A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO TEST WERE LIKE SNAP DRAGON SOUND. THE DESIGN LOOKS OLD AND BORING TO ME. DO YOU LIKE IT? >> SO QUICK POINT OF ORDER, I HAVE NOT TOUCHED THIS PHONE.

I HAVE NOT SEEN THIS PHONE IN PERSON. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY IT EXISTS EVEN A LITTLE BIT. LIKE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT QUALCOMM WANTS TO FLEX AND SHOW OFF HOW COOL THEY ARE, IMAGE PROCESSING AND 5G AND ALL THAT STUFF. BUT IS THIS PHONE DEMONSTRABLY BETTER AT ANY OF THOSE THINGS? >> WELL, SO THE OTHER THING IS, I WAS LIKE 5G IS GOING TO BE A GOOD THING TO TEST. AND THEN I THOUGHT ABOUT IT A LITTLE DEEPER AND I WAS LIKE, 5G WILL DEPEND ON YOUR CARRIER AND YOUR COVERAGE AREA SO WHY AM I -- NO.

I'LL TEST IT, BUT, LIKE, EVERYONE'S EXPERIENCE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE EXAMINE WITH WHO YOU'RE ON. SO WHAT IS GREAT ON YOU, QUALCOMM, FOR SUPPORTING 5G SO WELL, BUT THERE'S SO MANY OTHER FACTORS AT PLAY. >> WHAT A JOKE. >> LET ME JUST SAY, DEAR LISTENERS, WE WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THIS PHONE EVER AGAIN. THIS IS THE ONE TIME WE WILL EVER DO IT.

BUT EQUAL TOM HAS IN THE PAST, THEY DO THESE CONCEPT DEVICES SO, LIKE, BIG CHUNK PHONES. THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, THIS HAS ALL OF OUR POWER CHARGING TECH. AND THIS HAS ALL OF OUR 3D GRAPHICS TECH OR SOMETHING. I'M NOT SURE WHAT GALAXY BRAIN OVER THERE DECIDED, LET'S TURN THAT INTO A PHONE, INTO, AGAIN, COMPETITIVE GADGET MARKETS, LIKE, IN THE WORLD, LIKE GIVEN APPLE IS JUST LIKE RUNNING, LIKE, DOING INCREDIBLE THINGS WITH THE iPHONE. GOOGLE IS TRYING SO HARD.

SAMSUNG IS THROWING FOLDING DEVICES EVERYWHERE. QUALCOMM IS LIKE, WE GOT ONE FOR. >> OUR CHIP STILL EXISTS. YEAH. ONE QUICK THING I WILL SAY AGAIN, THERE IS AN ANECDOTAL THING.

AT LEAST TESTING THIS DEVICE WITH THE 144 HERTZ REFRESH RATE AN 1 MILLISECOND RATE, FORCED ME TO DO THINGS LIKE PLAY CALL OF DUTY MOBILE SEASON 6. AND I ENJOYED IT. >> WAIT, IS THIS YOUR FIRST SHOOTER THAT YOU'VE EVER PLAYED SFLP. >> ON TOUCH SCREEN? >> ON MOBILE, YEAH. I WAS LIKE, OH, SHOOT, I LIKE SHOOTERS NOW.

I PLAYED ZOMBIE SHOOTING GAMES, DEFINITELY, IN THE PAST. >> SHIRLIN, ARE YOU A REAL GAMER NOW? >> I THINK I MIGHT BE. I THINK YOU'RE A GARFIELD NOW, THOUGH. >> I'M A FALASKFIELD. SHIRLIN, ONE QUICK QUESTION.

THIS IS ALL PART OF AN INITIATIVE, RIGHT? LIKE QUALCOMM, A CHIPMAKER THAT DOESN'T MAKE PHONE SESS TRYING TO BUILD UP A COMMUNITY OF PEOPLE WHO REALLY LIKE THE CHIPS THAT THEY MAKE THAT GO INTO PHONES THAT THEY DON'T MAKE. >>AN. >> SO, LIKE, WHAT -- CAN YOU -- I KNOW YOU'VE SPOKEN TO QUALCOMM ABOUT THIS AT MRLEAST A LITTLE BIT. >> I BELIEVE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE FAMED, LEGEARY,HE SNAP DRAGON INSIDER PROGRAM. I CAN'T EVEN SAY IT RIGHT.

MY BRAIN IS SLEEP DEPRIVED. ANYWAY, THE SNAP DRAGON INSIDER'S PROGRAM, VERY SIMILAR TO MICROSOFT INSIDER OR, LIKE, I CAN'T THINK OF WHAT ELSE OFFHAND. ONE PLUS HASTS COMMUNITIES AND FORMS, RIGHT? SO I THINK QUALCOMM LOOKED AT THEM AND WERE LIKE, HEY, FANS ARE GREAT. I WANT SOME. >> WE WANT SOME.

>> AND WAS LIKE WHY DON'T WE JUST MAKE ONE AND OFFER SOME PER. AND I BELIEVE THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE IN TECH SHEETS AND SPECS ENOUGH TO BE LIKE HELLS YEAH I'M GOING TO SIGN UP FOR THIS. THE FREEBIES AND EARLY TESTING DREW SOME OF THESE PEOPLE, BUT I PERSONALLY HAVE NOT, DON'T CARE. >> IT'S NOT THAT EXCLUSIVE. >> THEY'RE IN SUCH A WEIRD SPOT BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES TO GETTING SOME SORT OF BRAND LOYALTY.

OH, MY SAMSUNG PHONE HAS A BETTER QUALCOMM CHAMPIONSHIP THAN YOUR SAMSUNG PHONE OR SOMETHING. BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THEIR IDENTITY IS BUILD AROUND THE QUALCOMMNESS OF IT. I'M GETTING A LOT OF HOW DO YOU DO FELLOW KIDS MEME HERE WITH THIS WHOLE MOVE. HOPEFULLY QUALCOMM THINKS BETTER. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ABOUT THIS OR THE NEXT GEN OF PHONES? >> I'LL JUST SAY THEY'RE COMING.

>> I AGREE. THERE WILL BE MORE PHONES. >> I'LL ALSO SAY, IF YOU ARE A SNAP DRAGON INSIDER AND YOU SIGNED UP IMMEDIATELY, PLEASE SEND US AN EMAIL AND WE'LL SEND YOU A CARE PACKAGE. >> FANCY. >> HOW MANY LINE REGS IN YOUR DESIGNS? >> DOES THIS STAND FOR IRMEZ? ANYHOW -- >> OKAY.

>> WHO? >> WE THINK JUST CUT THERE, BEN. LET'S MOVE ON TO Q & AND WITH A. I THINK AT SOME POINT THERE WE CAN HAVE A HARD CUT, WHICH I THINK WOULD BE FUNNY. OH, Q&A. WHAT FELL IN YOUR ROOM, SHIRLIN? >> DID SOMETHING FALL? >> SOMETHING FELL IN FRONT OF YOU.

WAS THAT YOUR GYMBLE? >> DID SOMETHING FALL IN FRONT OF ME? >> THE GYMBLE IS FINE. I HAVE NO IDEA. >> ANYWAY, YEAH, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS TOM BROWN PHONE. >> INDEED. >> THIS IS YOUR TIME TOALK DIRECTLY TO US IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SO THAT COULD BE THE PIXEL 5A, B, AND THE Z FLIP OR Z FOLD COULD BE REALLY ANYTHING ELSE.

WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THIS TOM BROWN EDITION, MAYBE WE'LL TE A LOOK AT THE WATCH THAT IS RIGHT UNDERNEATH HERE. I HAVE ONE REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION KIND OF UNRELATED TO THIS SPECIFIC STUFF, BUT GABRIEL ASKED AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE STREAM, ARE YOU GUYS ALLOWED TO DESCRIBE THE MOST OBJECT SCENE MDA YOU'VE EVER SIGNED JUST TO GET A REVIEW UNIT? DON'T NEED TO NAME THE COMPANY. VERY CURIOUS, THOUGH. >> I CAN'T THINK OF ANY CRAZY ONES. >> HONESTLY, WE TRY NOD TO SIGN NDAs.

>> THE NDAs THEMSELVES AREN'T GENERALLY BAD. IT'S JUST THE FOLLOW-UP, ALL THE LITTLE THINGS THE PEOPLE TRY TO GET YOU TO DO OR CONFORM TO THAT DON'T SPECIFICALLY FALL UNDER THE NDA. >> GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE. >> WHEN SHIRLIN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE QUALCOMM UPDATE, OH, DON'T PUBLISHUS AND HERE IS THE SOFTWARE YOU NEED, THAT IS MORE COMMON THAN IT SHOULD BE. >> I INTERACT WITH DIFFERENT COMPANIES.

SO TECH COMPANIES KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. FASHION COMPANIES, DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT ALL OF THAT MEANS. SO CERTAIN BRAND NAMES WILL TRY TO GET ME TO SIGN THE MOST BINDING NDAs EVER. THEY'RE TRYING TO GET ME ON THE HOOK FOR THE COST OF THE THING THAT THEY ARE SENDING TO US, WHICH IS FINE. THERE IS PARTS OF NDAs THAT ARE LIKE, DON'T DO THAT, WE' FULLY -- THAT STUFF OR YOU'LL HAVE TO PAY US BACK.

BUT I'VE SIGNED AN NDA WHERE IT'S LIKE THIS BELONGS BANK VAULT AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MESSENGER COP TO THE THING THE WHOLE TIME OR YOU CAN'T TOUCH THEM. I'M LIKE, IT COSTS $1500. SAMSUNG REGULARLY SENDS ME $3,000 THINGS. WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED? YES. >> COMPANIES LOVE TO CONTROL THEIR IMAGE BECAUSE THEIR WHOLE BRAND IS MOSTLY AN IMAGE.

>> YEAH. >> SO SPEAKING OF FASHION COMPANIES, TOM BROWN. THOM BROWN. >> IT'S REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BEN. ONCE PEOPLE REALIZE YOUR ENTIRE IMAGE IS BUILT AROUND LINES AND SPELLING YOUR NAME WITH AN "H" WHERE IT SHOULDN'T BE, THAT'S IT.

EVERYTHING SCRUMBLES. YOUR WHOLE EMPIRE IS GONE. IUST COVERED UP MY KNEE. I THINK WE'RE GOOD TO GO. I KNOW THE ANGLE ISN'T MUCH, Y'ALL, BUT HANG IN THERE.

SO THIS IS THE THOM BWN DEFAULT OVER ON THE LEFT AND WE'VE GOT THE WATCH OVER HERE. >> CAN SOMEBODY REMIND ME WHO SINGS IN THE BAND RADIO HEAD? >> THOM YORK. >> SO THIS IS THE THOM BROWN. LET'S LOOK AT THE REAR FOR NOW BECAUSE THIS IS THE FRONT AND IT'S SCREEN STUFF. ETCETERA, ETCETERA.

>> THAT ULTRA THIN GLASS BIT IS WHAT YOU THINK IS ESSENTIAL? >> WAIT, SHIRLIN, CAN YOU OPEN THAT UP AGAIN? >> NO, THAT'S THE Z3. >> SO IN THE CENTER THERE, IS THAT A SPECIFIC THOM BROWN WIDGET? >> YEAH. AND BY THE WAY, I THINK IT'S A -- SO I'LL CONNECT THEM, WHATEVER. BUT I LIKE THAT THEY HAVE THIS WHOLE NEW PARING THING RIGHT NO. M GOING TO SKIP THIS.

BUT, YES, THE CLOCK WIDGET IS THOM BROWN'S SPECIFIC ONE. LET ME SEE IF I CAN GET IT TO BE SHARP. >> THE WIDGET HAS THREE LINES, TOO? >> AWESOME. WOW. >> IS IT A POSTAGE STAMP? AND THEN CHECK OUT THE SYSTEM, ALL THE ICOMPAQ -- >> SO BAD.

WHAT DID YOU DO, THOM BROWN? >> THEY DIDN'T GET THE HIGH RES ICONS, I THINK. >> IT MIGHT BE THE STREAM RIGHT. >> NO, IT'S THE STREAM, TOO, BUT THE ACTUAL DESIGN OF THE ICONS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. >> AHH. THERE'S A CHOM BROWN APP THAT UNTIL TODAY I HAVEN'T OPENED.

LET'S SEE. >> WHAT'S IN THE THOM BROWN APP? >> SO THE CHAT IS MAKING FUN OF A NEEDLESS "H" IN THINGS. AND IF YOU PUT A NEEDLESS "H" IN THINGS LIKE SNAP DRAGON, ILLUSTRATE ENDS UP MAKING YOU SOUND LIKE YOU'RE FROM NEW ENGLD. >> I JUST WANT TO TELL Y'ALL WHAT THE THOM BROWN APP DOES. >> OKAY.

>> IT LAUNCHES THE THOM BROWN SHOP. >> ALL RIGHT, SURE. SO IT IS BASICALLY, REMEMBER THAT IM RICH APP THAT WAS AVAILABLE ON THE iTUNES STORE FOR $999? IT'S BASICALLY THAT. >> BUT I TELL YOU WHAT, I ACTUALLY LINE THE SHINY EDGE OF THE THOM BROWN PHONE AS COMPARED TO THE REGULAR FOLD. AND FOR SOME REASON, IT KIND OF FEELS SLIMMER BECAUSE OF THAT.

>> WHAT IS THEATERLS FOR THE SHINY DISK? THOSE THINGS ALWAYS GET ALL SCRAT SCRATCHED UP IF THEY'RE ANODIZED. >> I DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS, BUT BASICALLY THEY'RE PHYSICALLY THE SAME IN TERMS OF, LIKE, SIZE AND FINISH, RIGHT? IT'S JUST THE -- WELL, I SAY FINISH, I MEAN LIKE MATERIALS AND THE BUILD. BUT IT'S LIKE SILVER FINISHES. >> IT LOOKS LIKE WINDOWS 98 THEME. >> YES.

>> GUYS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. IS THIS A FASHION? IS THIS WHA FASHION IS? >> YOU GUYS LIVE IN THE NEW YORK AREA. YOU TELL ME. >> FASHION IS VERY SUBJECTIVE NOW. >> YOU KNOW WHERE I LIVE.

>> THERE'S A LOT OF FASHION GOING ON DOWN THERE. >> NOT -- >> TO THE STORES. >> I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT I DO? >> THINGS RIGHT OUTSIDE. >> WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS GO OUTSIDE. >> YOU NEED TO GO OUTSIDE.

THERE ARE A TON OF FASHION STORES LITERALLY BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE VELASCO LIVES RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM WHERE YOU LIVE. A LOT OF COOL FASHION. >> I'M LIKE FLAT BUSH AVENUE? >> ALONG LIKE -- YEAH, THERE'S STUFF. >> HEY, CHURCH IS GOING TO GET TARGET. HOW CRAZY IS THAT? >> I SAW THAT.

PRETTY WILD. >> THEY TAKE THE TARGET AWAY. >> K-MART. >> IT'S BECOMAG A WEGMAN'S. >> SERIOUSLY? I DIDN'T HEAR ABOUT THAT.

>> YEAH. NOW EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO BACK TO THE OFFICE. TO GO TO WEGMAN'S EVERY DAY. >> YEAH, NOW I DO WANT TO GO. >> IF THE OPPORTUNITY EVER COMES , WEGOMAN'S RED LINTEL CHILI, DELICIOUS.

>> SO WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SHOUT OUT ABOUT THIS WATCH? REMEMBER, YOU CAN ASK FOR ANYTHING BUT SHIRLIN'S KNEE. >> PLEASE DON'T. I'M GOING TO RUN TO THE BATHROOM. I WILL BE RIGHT BACK. >> WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST TALK ABOUT -- >> THOM BROWN.

>> GROCERY STORES. >> YEAH. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS -- WHAT SIT, THE WATCH 4 HERE? >> YES. SO I WILL SAY THE THOM BROWN WATCH -- THEY'RE BOTH THE SAME SIZE AND WHATNOT, BUT I LIKE THE STRAPS THAT THEY GAVE. SO INCLUDED IN THE BOX ARE STRAPS AND CASES, AS WELL.

I ACTUALLY REALLY LIKE THIS ONE. WHY DO I FEEL LIKE I'M ON QVC? >> THAT'S OUR EVENTUAL CAREER PATH. WE'RE GOING TO BE THOSE GUYS SELLING STUFF ON AMAZON. WHICH MIGHT BE FUN. >> IT'S ALREADY WHAT I DO, ANYWAY.

LOOKT HOMUCH THINNER THIS STRAP IS. IT'S JUST SO MUCH -- IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE. >> HERE IS A QUESTION. HAS ANYONE BEEN THROUGH SAMSUNG CARE PLUS? DALE CAMPBELL ASKS HAS ANYONE BEEN THROUGH SAMSUNG CARE PLUS? THEY HEAR THE CUSTOR SVICE IS BAD. >> V? >> SO I HAVE NOT.

I HAVE BEEN FORTUNATE ENOUGH THAT EVEN MY -- CAN I SWEAR? I FEEL LIKE I CAN SWEAR. >> GO AHEAD. >> EVEN IN MY -- TERRIBLY. I DON'T KNOW HOW NICELY I HAVE TO BE ON THESE THINGS. ANYWAY, MY -- SELF HAS TREATED MY GALAXY FOLD 2 PRETTY POORLY AND IT'S MORE OR LESS BEEN FINE.

MY IDEA OF THE CARE PLUS SITUATION NOW IS THEY'RE -- AND CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG ABOUT THIS, SHIRLIN. I DON'T THINK THE'SOLD FLIP SPECIFIC SUPPORT ANY MORE. >> THE D PREMIER SERVICE, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? >> JUST BY IDENTIFY AGO FOLDABLE, YOU GOT AS SEX TO A SPECIAL FOLD LINE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SPECIFICALLY RAED OHOW TO SUPPORT THOSE PHONES. AND MY UNDERSTANDING, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, IS THAT THAT WILL NO LONGER EXIST. LIKE IF YOU HAVE -- >> SO PARTS OF IT -- YEAH, PARTS OF IT WILL NO LONGER EXIST.

>> THEY HAVE SAID THOSE KINDS OF VIP PERKS ARE STILL AROUND. >> I MISUNDERSTOOD WHEN YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION ON OUR BRIEFING. FROM WHAT I -- YOU PROBABLY KNOW BETTER THAN ME, FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE YOU ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT THESE THINGS. I DON'T REALLY CARE ABOUT THESE SERVICE THINGS. I'M LIKE, COOL.

>> I ONLY CARE BECAUSE -- IT'S IT FOR THE PEOPLE. >> I -- YEAH, I CARE ABOUT THINGS THAT ACTUALLY MATTER LIKE WHETHER THEY WILL GIVE YOU A FREE SCREEN REPLACEMENT, WHICH THEY'VE NEVER EVEN DONE IN THE FIRST PLACE. >> 250 BUCKS, YEP. >> IT STILL REQUIRES A FEE. SO ONCE I HEARD THAT, I THINK I I WAS LIKE, IF YOU'RE NOT GIVING A SCREEN REPLACEMENT, WHY DO I WANT TO SIGN UP FOR THIS DUMB LSH PROGRAM.

>> DMAN 785 SAYS SHIRL WOULD ROCK THE LIVE SELLING SHOWS. I THINK SHE WOULD, BUT HOPEFULLY FOR AT LEAST A LITTLE WHILE. AND THEN HE ASKS WHAT IS THE BATTERY LIFE FOR THIS WATCH FOR? >> SO IT'S RATED OR ESTIMATED TO LAST 40 HOURS. AND, HONESTLY, THE WATCH 4 HAS BEEN A LOT SHORTER. SO I GENERALLY GET A DAY.

SO IT GET ABOUT 24 HOURS. SO NOT 40 HOURS. BUT THAT'S ALSO BECAUSE I'M -- I'VE BEEN USING IT FAIRLEY ACTIVELY. I'VE EITHER BEEN ALWAYS MONITORING EXERCISE STUFF OR DOING -- GET AGO TON OF NOTIFICATIONS BECAUSE PEOPLE CANNOT STOP TALKING. YEAH, OR TAKING PHOTOS.

>> SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IT'S MIRRORED TO MY PHONE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE COOL THINGS ABOUT THE WAT 4, SO YOU CAN SEE IT IS AT 40%. I LAST HAD A FULL CHARGE AT ABOUT 3:00 P. M. YESTERDAY.

YEAH. SO ABOUT 3:00 P. M. YESTERDAY, I TOOK THIS OFF THE CHARGER. WENT TO THE GYM -- NO NO, I MEANT AT 5:00 P.

M. I WENT TO THE GYM AFTER WORK. AFTER WORK. NOT DURING WORK. >> GOOD THING TERRENCE ISN'T ON.

>> I TOLD HIM I'M STEPPING AWAY FOR A SECOND AT 3:00 P. M. >> IF YOU'RE WORKING AT 2:00 A. M. REGULARLY, YOU TAKE YOUR GYM TIME WHEN YOU CAN GET IT.

>> CHICKEN AND EGG THING. AM I STAYING UP LATE BECAUSE I TAKE BREAKS IN THE MID DAY OR WHAT. ANYWAY, THAT'S WHEN ILLUSTRATE GOT OFF THE CHARGER. AND LET'S S TIME, I DID TRACK A FEW DIFFERENT EXERCISES WITH THIS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK PHOTOS OF THIS WHICH MEANS WE HAD TO KEEP THE SCREEN ON AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.

THE I STILL HAVE YET TO DO THE. AND NOW, OVERNIGHT, WE'RE DOWN TO 40%. SO IT'S GOING TO LAST ME UNTIL I DO THE REVIEW ACTION BIT AND THEN I'M GOING TO DO THE REVIEW A LITTLE BIT. SO I'M GOING TO SAY MAYBE A DAY AND MAYBE A DAY AND CHANGE IF YOU DON'T DO MUCHITH IT BUT COME ON, THAT'S NOT MUCH. >> SO ARE YOU USING IT WITH LTE? >> NO.

THIS MODEL, I DON'T BELIEVE HAS LTE, BUT LET ME DOUBLE-CHECK, TOO. >> OKAY. THAT WAS A QUESTION FROM BEN ANMAYBE TO CLOSE THIS OUT BECAUSE -- >> YEAH, WE HAVE TO GO. >> JEDI MIND TRICK ON YOU -- >> HI. >> HOW CLOSE OR FAR IS SAMSUNG TO CREATING AN ECOSYSTEM LIKE APPLE IN ENGADGET'S OPINION? I'LL ADD ON TO THAT QUESTION DO YOU THINK IT'S EVEN SAMSUNG'S GOAL TO CREATE AN ECOSYSTEM LIKE APPLE? >> IT DEFINITELY IS THEIR GOAL, I FEEL LIKE.

I DON'T KNOW IF, V, YOU AGREE. I KNOW THIS QUESTION WAS DIRECTED TOWARDS ENGADGET AND THAT NO LONGER INCLUDES YOU. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOU THINK. I THINK SAMSUNG IS TRYING TO DO THAT. I THINK EVERYONE IS TRYING TO DO THAT.

THEY'VE SEEN THE BENEFITS OF TRYING TO OWN THE VERTICAL. >> REMEMBER THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION. HOW CLOSE -- >> THE FIRST PART, YEAH. SO HOW CLOSE IS -- I DON'T KNOW. I FEEL LIKE IT'S A VERY BROAD QUESTION.

>> THEY HAVE THE PRODUCT. THEY -- EXACTLY. LIKE THEY HAVE THE PRODUCT AND ON SOME LEVEL THEY HAVE MORE PRODUCT THAN THE LIKES OF GOOGLE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TVs AND IF YOU'RE -- YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER WHAT APPLIANCES GO INTUR YOUR HOME, YOU'RE NOT A RENTER OR WHATEVER, YOU COULD BUILD OUT A SAMSUNG DECKED OUT LIFE. AND I SAY THIS THINKING MOSTLY OF PEOPLE IN ASIA BECAUSE I PRETTY SURE OVER IN KOREA, THERE'S PEOPLE WHO ARE FULLY EMBRACING THE SAMSUNG ECOSYSTEM, RIGHT? >> YOU DON'T WANT TO BUY SAMSUNG AP APPLIANS, PEOPLE. LG.

>> LG HAS SUPERIOR PRODUC, YES. BUT THEY NO LONGER HAVE PHONES. I DO THINK ON THAT LEVEL, MAYBE SAMSUNG IS CLOSE, BUT ON THE SOFTWARE FRONT, THEY'RE, I THINK, QUITE FAR FROM IT. V, WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> ALL RIGHT. I HAD SOME MESSAGES COMING IN.

>> SLACK MESSAGES. YEAH. >> BUT WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE WHOLE LIKE IS SAMSUNG CLOSE? >> I -- LIKE YOU SAID, IT SORT OF DEPENDS ON THE CERTAIN AREA YOU'RE LOOKING AT. TO YOUR POINT ABOUT SAMSUNG HAVING ITS TENDRILS IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT KIND OF DEVICETYPES, THAT'S -- THEY DON'T HAVE THE REACH, DON'T HAVE THE SCALE FOR IT. >> THEIR MARKET SHARE WAS AT 1.5%. >> I THINK AT AN ALL-TIME HIGH IT WAS LIKE 4%.

>> SO SAD. >> IT'S JUST NOT WORNG O FOR THEM. I HOPE IT WORKS OUT, BUT WHATEVER. SO ON THE MOBILE SIDE, I THINK SAMSUNG IS MUCH CLOSER THAN APPLE WOULD CARE TO ADMIT. FOR TABLETS, IT'S PRETTY MUCH THEY'RE THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN IF YOU WANT A TABLET THAT ISN'T AN iPAD.

AND WE COULD GO ON AND ON ABOUT THE RELATIVE MERITS OF iPADS THAN THE TABLET. I THINK WE WOULD ALL AGREE THAT iPAD IS A LITTLE BIT BETTER. >> 100% BETTER. >> I WAS CALLED MANY THINGS AT ENGADGET FOR YEARS FOR LIKING APPLE PRODUCTS. BUT ON THE WHOLE, YEAH, I THINK SAMSUNG WANTS WHAT APPLE HAS AND HAS THE ABILITY TO SHORT OF MOVE BEYOND THAT.

>> RIGHT. >> IF THEY SORT OF INVEST WISELY, WHICH IS ALWAYS THE BIG ESTI FOR THEM. >> WHY AM I STRUGGLING SO MUCH WITH THIS WATCH STRAP? >> THIS IS LIKE A SAD YOUTUBE CHANNEL RIGHT NOW. >> WHAT IS GOING ON? >> YOU'VE BEEN CALLED MANY THINGS AT ENGADGET INCLUDING MAYBE DADDY PZA. NO.

I TRIED. >> NOBODY WANTS TO -- >> THAT'S SMVS I WANTED TO HAPPEN, BUT NO ONE BIT. >> UGLY SELFIE KING? >> I'LL TAKE THAT. >> WE GOOD TO GO? >> YEAH. >> I BELIEVE SO.

>> OKAY. >> THANKS, V. >> WE CAN STICK AROUND IF YOU WANT. >> OH, V STICKING AROUND, YAY. >> PUT DOWN THE WATCH.

PUT DOWN THE WATCH. >> I'M DONE. >> YOU CAN END THE STREAM ON THAT IF YOU WANT. >> WHOA. PUT THAT ON, SHIRL.

>> ALL RIGHTY. THAT WENT BETTER THAN OUR PAST OVER -- >> COOL. >> WAY BETTER AND IT'S BECAUSE -- GROUPIE AND THE KNEE WAS COVERED. LES D THIS. T.

THE REST OF THE SHOW. >> SO WE'RE GOING TO GO ON TO OTHER NEWS. >> OCULUS, OTHER NEWS. >> AND YOU CAN CONTINUE TALKING REVANT TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING T'S ABOUT. I'M GOING THE BE LOOKING AT THE CHAT.

>> I'M ALSO NOT SURE IF WE'LL HAVE TIME FOR Q&A AFTER. WE'LL SEE. BECAUSE THAT WAS 20 MINUTES. >> YEAH. OKAY.

>> LET'S MOVE ON TO SOME OTHER NEWS. I HAVE A WEIRD ONE FOR YOU GUYS. FACEBOOK HAS ANNOUNCED HORIZON WORK ROOMS, WHICH IS A VR MEETING PLACE. AND THIS IS PRETTY WILD I WROTE AND I'VE SEEN A BUNCH OF SPINS ON VR, COLLABORATION, BASICALLY RECREATING IN-PERSON MEETINGS. A COMPANY CALLED SPATIAL HAS BEEN DOING THAT FOR A WHILE.

THIS THING IS FACEBOOK'S SPIN ON IT AND I REALLY DUG IT. IT RUNS ON THE QUEST 2. I BASICALLY MAPPED THE EDGE OF MY DESK AND WHEN I HOPPED INTO THIS MEETING DEMO, MY VIRTUAL DESK IS RIGHT WHERE MY REAL DESK IS. THAT IS SOMETHING I JT LOVED, THAT BASICALLY MIX OF THE REAL AND VIRTUAL WORLDS ALWAYS FEELS GOOD WHEN I'M IN VR. AND I LOOKED AROUND AND THERE ARE OTHER JOURNALISTS, LIKE FORMER GUESTS ON THE SHOW.

SCOTT STEIN FROM C-NET. SO WE CAN SPEAK LIKE WE NORMALLY DO. I CAN THROW THUMBS UP TO SOMEBODY. IT WAS ALL REALLY COOL. ANIT RIND ME THAT, MAN, I MISS IN-PERSON MEETINGS.

I NEVER GET THAT FEELING ON A VIDEO CHAT. IF IT'S A COUPLE PEOPLE, SURE. BUT IF IT'S FIVE TO TEN PEOPLE, THERE ARE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH VIDEO CHATS WHEN IT COMES TO COLLABORATION, RIGHT? VIDEO CHAT, ALL THE AUDIO COMES IN ON ONE CHANNEL, YOU KNOW? IT IS HARD TO MAKE EYE CONTACT WITH PEOPLE. AND THAT ISIND OF SOMETHING VR SOLVES BECAUSE WHEN I PUT ON THIS HELMET, I'M IN THIS VIRTUAL WORLD, EVERYBODY -- IT USES SPATIAL AUDIO. SO EVERYBODY SOUNDS APPROPRIATELY FAR FROM ME AS THEY SHOULD.

SO SOMEBODY SITTING NEXT TO ME ULD UND PRETTY CLOSE. ANDREW BOSWORTH WAS WAY AT THE OTHER END OF THE TABLE AND HE SOUNDED EVEN MORE DISTANCE E DISTANT. SO IT FELT VERY REAL AND NATURAL AND YOU GET A SENSE OF BEING IN SPACE. AT ONE POINT, WE HAD A SURPRISE GUEST POP IN. MARK ZUCKERBERG HIMSELF.

HE SAT IN THE SEAT RIGHT NEXT TO ME AND THAT IS WHEN SHUT STARTED TO GET REALLY REAL. THAT IS WHEN I WAS LIKE, OH, THIS IS VRLA LITTLE AWKWARD NOW. BECAUSE I CAN'T JUST LOOK AT HIM OR STARE AT HIM BECAUSE THEN IT'S LIKE YOU'RE STARING AT AN ACTUAL PERSON, RIGHT? AND I ALSO HAVE TO BE LIKE, THIS IS THE FIFTH RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD. SO I WAS LIKE, OKAY, KEEP MY HANDS COOL. PAY ATTENTION TO HIM.

TRY TO BE RESPECTFUL. THERE IS SOME FOOTAGE THAT WILL NOT BE SHOWN IN PUBLIC, UNFORTUNATELY, THANKFULLY FOR ME OF ZUCKERBERG TALKING AND ME RIGHT NEXT TO HIM DOING THESE WILD VR HAND GESTURES BECAUSE THE FINGER TRACKING TECHNOLOGY WAS NOT SUPER ACCURATE AT TIMES. I WAS TYPING ON MY KEYBOARD BUT IT LOOKS LIKE I WAS DOING INTERPRETIVE DANCE NEXT TO HIM. SO THERE ARE PLUSES AND MINUSES OF HOLDING MEETINGS IN VR. SHIRLIN, WHAT'S UP? DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? >> DID IT DO EYE TRACKING? IS THAT WHY YOU COULDN'T JUST SHIFT YOUR EYEBALLS TOWARDS ZUCKERBERG? >>O.

IN REAL LIFE, YOU CAN BE LIKE, YOU CAN LOOK IN THE VAGUE DIRECTION OR SOMEBODY, LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IN VR, IT'S JUST LIKE WHERE YOUR HEAD IS POINTED IS WHERE THE DEAD VIRTUAL EYES ARE POINTED. >> YEAH. >> EVENTUALLY, LIKE EYE TRACKING TECH IS SOMETHING THEY'RE WORKING ON VR. EVENTUALLY, THAT COULD BE ADDED TO THIS. I'M JUST SAYING IPENT AN HOUR IN THIS THING AND I REALLY ENJOYED IT.

IT WAS NICE BECAUSE I GOT TO SIT DOWN, BASICALLY NEXT TO OTHER PEOPLE. I'VE DONE THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES WITH OTHER VR DEMOS. BUT I JUST REALLY ENJOY THIS EXPERIENCE AND THERE ARE PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER. THERE ARE PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA, OF COURSE, BUT THERE WAS SCOTT IN NEW JERSEY. THERE WERE >> DEVELOPERS OF THIS IN LONDON.

AND WE WERE ALL JUST TALKING WITH EACH OTHER, CHATTING NATURALLY. IT WAS LIKE I -- I HAD LIKE A MAGIC MEETING ROOM, YOU KNOW, WHERE I COULD TALK TO ANYBODY. AND THE WHOLE STETUP ALSO FEELS LIKE, YOU KNOW, A START-UP OFFICER A START-UP MEETING ROOM TO DIE FOR BECAUSE, LIKE, YOU WERE LOOKING OUT OVER THE LAKES AND THE MOUNTAINS OF THE PEST AND YOU HAD BEAUTIFUL FURNITURE. IT JUST FELT LIKE REALLY PERFECT AND I HOPE TO BE DOING MORE OF THESE. IT'S OPENING UP IN PUBLIC BETA TODAY FOR ANYBODYITH A QUEST 2.

AND IT'S SUPPORTING COUNTRIES WHERE THE QUEST 2 IS SOLD. YOU CAN ALSO JOIN VIA VIDEO CHAT, WHICH IS THE OTHER THING, TOO. SO YOU CREATE A WORK ROOMS ACCOUNT. YOU DON'T NEED A FACEBOOK ACCOUNT. YOU DON'T NEED AN OCULUS ACCOUNT TO JUMP INTO ONE OF THE MEETINGS.

SO THAT MAKES ME THINK THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE OPEN SO EVEN FACEBOOK HATERS WILL COME AND GIVE ATE SHOT. BUT, OF COURSE, IF YOU WANT TO USE THE QUEST TO -- YOU NEED A FACEBOOK ACCOUNT WHICH IS A BIG DOWNSIDE FOR A LOTF PEOPLE. I REALLY ENJOYED IT. >> I -- MY -- >> GO AHEAD. >> MY MAIN QUESTION IS THE TRAILER LOOKS LIK IT'S GRAPHIC RENDERING.

WAS THE SPACE YOU WERE IN WHEN YOU'RE DESCRIBING THE VIEW AND EVERYTHING, WAS IT PHOTO REALISTIC? >> NOTHING IS PHOTO REALISTIC, BUT IT'S THE QUEST. IT LOOKED REALLY SHARP. IT'S CLEAR BECAUSE IT'S A QUEST 2. IT'S A SHARP HIGH RESOLUTION VR HEADSET. STLS AN APP WHERE YOU CAN STREAM YOUR DESKTOP.

SO I HAD MY KEYBOARD IN FRONT OF ME. I HAD MY MOUSE. I HIT THIS BUTTON SO I COULD SEE A CAMERA VIEW OF MY ACTUAL KEYBOARD AND MOUSE. BUT I COULD SIT THERE AND TAKE NOTES ON SLACK JUST LIKE A REAL MEETING. IT WAS GREAT.

>>. >> ONE OBSERVATION ABOUT OUR VIDEO TEAM, THESE CHARACTERS IN THESE TRAERS HEO LEGS. NO LOWER HALF. >> WHAT DO YOU NEED LEGS FOR? NOW YOU DON'T HAVE TO BLOCK OUT ANY KNEES. >> THIS IS TRUE.

>> THERE IS A VIRTUAL WHITEBOARD WHICH IS BASICALLY INFINITE. YOU COULD GET UP AND START KEVINING IDEAS AND DO THINGS WITH PEOPLE. SOME OF THEM LOOK LIKE MEETING ROOMS, BUT SOME LOOK LIKE CLASSROOMS FROM COLLEGE. I WONDER IF THEY USED THE FOOTAGE FROM OUR MEETING. BUT THIS IS SOMEWHAT FACEBOOK WANTS TO BE.

HE IS JRLLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS. THIS IS THE FUTURE HE WANTS TO BUILD. HE'S THE GUY WHO HAS BUILT THIS INCREDIBLY FUTURE NETWORK AND IS STILL FAIL TO GO RECKON WH TH IS. SO I THINK IT'S A COOL THING. I'M OF TWO MINDS ABOUTIS SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY AROUND THIS STUFF.

THIS LOOKS COOL. LAST YEAR, I TALKED ABOUT FACEBOOK HORIZONS, WHICH IS A SIMILAR THING. THAT IS MEANT TO BE A VIRTUAL PLAYGROUND. AND FACEBOOK DIDN'T HAVE MECHANISMS FOR COMMUNITY CONTROL. THIS IS JUST A SLICE OF MEETINGS, YOU KNOW, IT'S A COUPLE OF -- BEING A JERK TO YOU AND HARASSING YOU FOR SOME REASON, LIKE IF YOU ARE GET GUESSING INTO SOMETHING, YOU CAN REPORT THEM.

THAT'S COOL. BUT IT'S NOT LE A BIG VIRTUAL WORLD. SO IAY B WORTH CHECKING TS OUT. THE BETA LAUNCHES TODAY. >> I HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT THIS.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE A REALLY POTENTIALLY COOL WORKPLACE BEFORE. WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT HOW WE MISS BEING AROUND PEOPLE AND BRIEFINGS ARE MORE FUN WHEN YOU'RE AROUND YOUR FRIENDS. BUT DID YOU EVER GET THE IMPRESSION WHILE YOU'RE TRYING THIS OUT THAT THE SORT OF FACSIMILE OF THAT EXPERIENCE SOMEHOW MADE THE PAIN AND LONGING FOR THE ACTUAL REAL THING MORE ACUTE? >> SORT OF. VIDEO CHATS CAN WERE LIKE A RELEASE, RIGHT? LIKE A WAY TO AT LEAST BE SOMEWHAT SOCIAL. AND SURE, LIKE NOW, REALISTICALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALMOST THERE AND ALSO THE LOGISTICS OF MEETING WITH PEOPLE.

ANDOW WRE LOOKING AT THINGS LIKE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. THE WORLD IS ON FE. I THINK THAT'S A CLEAN CUT FOR THE NEXT. >> YES. >> CHRIS.

NFT. >> NO. NO. >> LET'S DO TALIBAN. >> YEAH.

LET'S DO IT. >> LET'S MOVE ON TO SOME -- MOVING ON TO SOME OTHER NEWS, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT. RELATED TO FACEBOOK, IT SEEMS LIKE THINGS ARE GOING PRETTY BADLY IN AFGHANISTAN RIGHT NOW FOLLOWING AMERICA'S, LIKE, SUDDEN DARTURE FROM THE COUNTRY. THE TALIBAN TOOK KABUL. OTHER THGS TY HA TO DEAL WITH IS HOW THEY LOOK AT AND HANDLE A LOT OF THE TALIBAN RELATED CONTENT, INCLUDING STUFF FROM MEMBERS OF THE GROUP.

THERE IS A HIGH PROFILE PCE AND TWITTER IS SAYING THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE REMOVING PEOPLE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE GROUP. ANYTHING TIED TO THE TALIBAN BECAUSE UNDER U. S. LAW, IT'S BEEN SANCTIONED AS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION. YEAH.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO NO POLICIES ARE CHANGING. THEY THINK JT LOINGT HOW THE WORLD IS CHANGING SO QUICKLY, IT IS INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT THESE COMPANIES HAVE TO DO. LIKE WHAT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AND IT SEEMS LIKE WHEN SOMEBODY SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS, THESE COMPANIES HAVE TO DO THE THINGS THAT STATES HAVE TO DO, THAT COUNTRIES HAVE TO DO WHEN IT COMES TO BLOCKING CERTAIN GROUPS OR SANCTIONING CERTAIN GROUPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'S INTERESTING TO SEE.

THIS SEEMS FOR YET ANOTHER TEST FOR THEM. IN A TIME WHEN THEY'RE ALREADY -- NOT ABLE TOANDL VACCINE INFORMATION, AND THE SPREADING OF OTHER EXTREMIST CONTENT, THIS SEEMS LIKE A PRETTY IMPORTANT TEST FOR ALL THESE SOCIAL NETWORKS. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS? >> JUST THE WAY THE TALIBAN PRESENTED ITSELF ACROSS THE SOCIAL MEDIA CHANNELS, IT'S REMARKABLY -- >> IT'S WELL DONE. >> POLISHED, RIGHT? >> IT'S LIKE THEY'RE A WELL RUN ORGANIZATION, WHICH IS SCARY, YOU KNOW? >> TO THE POINT WHERE AT LEAST SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE THERE'S A PR FIRM INVOLVED IN ALL OF THIS. SO FAR WE DON'T KNOW ANY OF THE SPECIFICS AROUND THAT.

BUT WOULDN'T IT BE CRAZY? >> WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BUT IBM SOLD DATABASES TO THE NAZIS. THAT WAS DATABASE TECHNOLOGY USED TO -- >> YEAH. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY -- >> IT'S REAL, IT'S THE SAME DEAL. >> I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TO DO PR FOR A COMPANY VERSUS SELL DATABASES. >> NUMBER ONE, WHEN YOU SAY IN OUR REPORTING, WE COVERED THIS.

LET'S BE CLEAR, YOU MEAN WASHINGTON POST. >> YES. IS. >> IF SOMEBODY WORKS FOR A REAL INSURANCE -- >> LOOK, ENGADGET IS LEGIT. >> I WASN'T REALLY -- YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THEY DO SEEM VERY POLISHED.

MY NOTE ON THIS THING THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT HOW ALL THESE SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES HAVE A LOT TO DEAL WITH RIGHT NOW, NOT TO EQUATE THE WOULD TWO, BUT FACEBOOK AND TWITTER WERE RECENTLY IN THE NEW FOR BEING THE TECH SUPPORT TO LIZZO'S TROLLING ISSUES. AS LONG AS CELEBRITIES HAVE BEEN ON SOCIAL MEDIA, THERE BEEN TROLLS COMING AFTER THEM. FROM WAY BACK. BUT, NO, LIZZO RECENTLY HAD A BREAKDOWN ON INSTAGRAM OR TIKTOK STORIES AND APPARENTLY FACEBOOK AND TWITTER HAVE BEEN PRETTY GOOD AT RESPOND TO GO THINGS THAT THEY SAY AWFUL -- >> AND THEY SHOULD BE. IF YOU MAKE YOURSELF A GOOD SOCIAL PLATFORM, IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO STOP THAT, YOU KNOW? >> AND I WOULD SAY IN REHABILITATE YEARS IT HAS TAKEN A TURN FOR THE BETTER.

IT FEELS LESS TOXIC, EVERY SUBJECT HAS ITS RULES AND ETIQUETTE AT THE TOP, THAT SORT OF THING. IT DOESN'T SOUND TO ME LIKE IT'S NECESSARILY A REDDIT FIRST THING WHERE IT WAS FROM AN INTERNAL EFFORT AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAD COMMUNITY MANAGERS WHO STEPPED UP TO BE MODS AND GOOD MODS AT THAT. BUT, ANYWAY, THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS THAT SOCIAL MEDIA CAN APPROACH THESE THINGS AND IT'S JUST -- IT'S JUST IMPORTANT MORE THAN EVER. ABSOLUTELY. LET'S MOVE ON TO I GUESS A BIT OF LIGHTER NEWS.

THERE WAS NEWS THIS WEEK THAT THE CS SAYS IT'S REQUIRING VACCINATION TO ATTEND THE 2022 SHOW WHICH IS A THING THAT IS APPARENTLY STILL HAPPENING. DO YOU GUYS HAVE FEELINGS ABOUT THIS? I HAVE A SENSE, IT IS CURRENTLY AUGUST 19th. THIS SHOW IS OVER FOUR MONTHS AWAY AND WE ARE LOOKING TAE AT A FIFTH WAVE OF CORONAVIRUS GOING THROUGH. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAD WILL BE SAFE AT ALL, EVEN IF YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE PROVE VACCINATION. THAT DOESN'T HELP FLYING THERE.

THAT DOESN'T HELP WITH SAYING IN VEGAS AND, LIKE, WHO KNOWS AT YOUR HOTEL. ILLUSTRATE DOESN'T SOLVE THE BIG PROBLEM. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? >> V. >> I HAVE MY THOUGHTS ABOUT VACCINES. I THINK EVERYONE SULDO IT, WHATEVER, IT'S A PERSONAL OPINION.

I CANNOT IMAGINE A SCENARIO IN WHICH THE CTA CAN EFFECTIVELY MANAGE THAT INSURE OF PEOPLE. -- THAT NUMBER OF PEOPLE. UNLESS YOU HAVE TO UPLOAD PROOF, VERIFY PROOF OF VACCINE STATUS AS PART OF REGISTRATION, WHICH MAYBE THEY'RE DOING, BUT, LIKE, IF THEY'RE RELYING ON HAVING THE GUYS AT THE DOOR CHECK CARDS OR PICTURES ON PHONES, A, WE KNOW THESE ARE RELATIVELY EASY. THERE IS NO SCENARIO IN WHICH THIS WORKS THE WAY THEY WANT IT TO. >> I THINK IF THEY DID IT, IT RESTRATION, RIGHT?OUR SO YOU WOULDN'T GET A BADGE.

YOU COULD BUY A FAKE CARD AND SUBMIT IT AND NOBODY WOULD KNOW. >> THERE'S SO MANY OFF-SITE EVENTS THAT A BAD -- COULD GO TO AND REGISTER WITH NO REGISTERED ATTENDEES. EFFECTIVELY, YOU'RE ATTENDSING CES OR IMAGINE THAT IT WAS STILL ENGADGET OR WHATEVER. NOT ALL OF OUR EVENTS ARE GOING TO BE AT SANDS OR WHATEVER, RIGHT? SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO GO TO AN OFF-SITE HOTEL TO BE LIKE, W THEY'RE DOING THIS COACTIVATION THING. ARE YOU GOING TO NOT ATTENDS THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RVACCINATED ATTENDEES ONLY? AND IF YOU DO GO AND THERE HAMS TO BE SOMEONE THERE THAT IS SICK, THEN IT'S A SUPER SPREADER EVENT.

>> ALL IT TAKES IS ONE PERSON. >> THEY WERE SO LUCKY THAT THE 2020 CS WAS NOT A SUPER SPREADER EVENT. >> IT'S ALWAYS LIKE A SPREADING EVENT OF SOME SORT OF, LIKE, FLU OR DISEASE OR WHATEVER. I HAVE TAKEN TO YOU NEVER TOUCHING, ALWAYS WIPE MY HANDS. THAT IS OHIO I AVOIDED IT.

IT EASILY COULD HAVE BEEN. AND IT SEALS LIKE THEY'RE JUST TEMPTING FATE NOW. >> WE'LL TAKE BETS NOW WHETHER CS 2022 IS GOING TO GO FORWARD. I'M NOT GOING TO GO IF IT'S INTERNATIONAL. I FEEL LIKE THAT IS EVEN WORSE.

THAT CERTAINLY IS EVEN WORSE. THAT SEEMS HARDER TO ME. I HAVE A FEELING THEY'RE GOING TO BE STUBBNBOUT THIS AND DO THE MOBILE WORLD CONGRESS. WHERE THEY DO IT AND A COUPLE OF THOUSAND PEOPLE GO AND THAT'S IT. AND THERE'S NO NEWS AND IT'S COMPLETELY UNIMPORTANT OR IRRELEVANT.

>> OR THEY WILL COVER EVERYTHING REMOTE. >> TRUE. >> V, YOU WERE SAYING? >> HE'S LOOKING AT SLACK. >>NO,'M NOT LOOKING AT SLACK. I WAS JUST -- NO, I WAS READING THE CTA'S STATEMENT ON THIS WHOLE THING.

AND IT SAYS BASICALLY NOTHING OF VALUE. YES, WE WILL REQUIRE YOU TO PROVE YOUR VACCINE STATUS IF YOU WANT TO GO TO CES IN PERSON. BUT THERE IS NO INSIGHT ON HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS. IF IT'S PART OF REGISTRATION, GREAT. TELL US THAT.

>> YEAH. >> THE FACT THAT THEY'RE NOT SPECIFICALLY SAYING ANYTHING LEADS ME TO BELIEVE, A, THEY HAVEN'T FIGURED IT OUT YET. >> THEY HAVEN'T. >> OR B, THEY WILL DEFAULT TO THE TENTLLY EASIEST AND MOST AFFECTABLE WAY TO DO THIS, WHICH IS TO JUST HAVE GUYS AT THE DOOR CHECKING CARDS AND STUFF, WHICH I SINCERELY HOPE HE DO NOT DO, BUT IT'S THE CTA. LITERALLY, WHO KNOWS SOMETIMES.

>> SOMETHING FUN NOW, THEN. >> YES. >> SOMETHING FUN. THIS IS YOU. THIS IS ALL YOU.

>> THIS THING ISN'T SOMETHING ENGADGET COVERED, BUT IT HAPPENED, I THINK, THIS WEEK%-p. EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE PATREON ALTERNATIVE IS NOW KIND OF MAKING IT OKA OR MAKING IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO HAVE A NUDE FREE EXPERIENCE. IF YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH ONLY FANS AND, TO BE CLEAR, I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH ONLY FANS MYSELF, IT'S WHERE CREATORS CAN, YOU KNOW, OFFER SUBSCRIPTION PROGRAMS TO THEIR CONTENT. OFTEN THIS CONTENT IS OF A -- YOU KNOW, LOTS OF SKIN UNDERNEATH THERE. >> WE'RE ALL ADULTS HERE, SHIRLIN.

>> IT'S PORN? >> SURE. >> YEAH. OR -- YOU KNOW, IT'S ACCORDING TO THE CNET ARTICLE, THIS IS THE WORDING THEY USE IS THAT IT'S A COMPANY INFAMOUS FOR NUDES. HOW ABOUT WE GO WITH THAT. IT'S PRETTY CLEAR PEOPLE ARE POSTING PGR RATED CONTENT ON HERE.

BUT, ANYWAY, NOW THEY'RE PUSHING FOR A NUDE FREE EXPERIENCE SO NOW IT SEEMS LIKE ANYONE CAN HAVE AN ONLY FANS AND NOT HAVE PEOPLE EXPECT YOU TO PUBLISH NUDES. >> I ALMOST -- YEAH, IT SNDS LIKE IT COULD SHE A CAMEO COMPETITOR BUT THROUGH LIVE STREAMS. >> PATREON IS A DIFFERENT THING. THAT COULD BY TIED TO ANYTHING, A PODCAST, BUT IT IS IN THAT VAIN. WHAT IS COOL ABOUT CAMEO IS THAT, YOU KN, YOU PAY SOMEBODY A COUPLE HUNDRED BUCKS AND IT'S SOMETHING YOU LIKE, USUALLY A B OR C LEVEL ACTOR, THEY SEND SOMEBODY A MESSAGE.

IT'S AN EASY TRANSACTION. I GOT -- WHAT WAS IT, A MOTHER'S DAY MESSAGE FOR MY WIFE FROM PRINT SPINOR AND THAT WAS TOTALLY WORTH IT. THAT WAS TOTALLY WORTH IT, ABSOLUTELY WORTH IT BECAUSE SHE LOVES HIM AND SHE LOVES DAVID. SO THAT SORT OF THING. THERE IS CLOOER GIVE-AND-TAKE BETWEEN THE FANS AND WHAT THE TALENT IS PRODUCING.

I WOULD IMAGINE SOMETHING SIMILAR HERE FOR THIS. >> YE. SO ANYWAY, ONCE ONLY FANS BECOMES PG ONLY, YOU WILL SEE MORE PEOPLE ON THERE, I THINK. AND I'M NOT SAYING WHO. MAYBE IF YOU ALL ARE BIG FANS OF CHRIS VELASCO, YOU SHOULD SUGGEST A STARTS AN ONLY FANS WITH NOUDES >> I MEAN, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DON'T ALREADY -- >> OH.

>> JUST WALK THAT ONE BACK. >> THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO NOT SAY OR DO. I WAS CONSIDERING YOUR REPUTATION. >> ONLY GADGET FANS. >> ONLY ENGADGET FANS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE DONE. ALL RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD CUT.

>> YEAH. >> ALL RIGHT. LET'S LEAVE OURSELVES FROM THIS DISCUSSION. LET'S MOVE ON TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON. I AM UNDOING A LOT OF STUFF.

I WAS UP LATE WORKING ON THAT FACEBOOK THING. I WAS REVIEW Z THE RAZOR BLADE 14 WHICH IS THE NEW RAZOR POWERED GAMING LAPTOP. IT IS A LITTLE SMALLER THAN THE BLAZE 15, BUT I THINK MORE CAPABLE THAN THE 13 INCH. BDE STEALTH. SO I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING HOW THIS THING PERFORMS.

I JUST NEED MORE TIME TO PLAY WITH IT. THAT. M LOOKING FORWARD TO DOING SHIRLIN, ARE YOU DOING ANYTHING OTHER THAN DIEING FROM PHONE REVIEWS? >> SO I AM CURRENTLY TESTING THE -- WELL, THE Z FLIP REVIEW IS UP TODAY. THEN I'LL HAVE THE WATCH REVIEW SHORTLY. AND THEN I'LL HAVE THE FOLD VIEW UP SHORTLY.

THREE OR FOUR REVIEWS OR WHATEVER IN A WEEK IS NOT GREAT OR FUN TO DO. BUT WE'LL HAVE THEM UP AND THAT'S WHAT I'M WORKING ON. AND THEN ALSO OTHER STUFF, OTHER -- EFA IS COMING UP, RIGHT? AND THE USUAL TIME FRAME FOR EFA, THE SHOW THAT IS USUALLY IN GERMANY IS EARLY SEPTEMER. IT'S URNL WHEN WE START GETTING BRIEFED. THAT IS ALL COMING.

STAY TUNED FOR ENGADGET NEWS. SHOULD WE ASK V WHAT HE'S WORKING ON? >> SURE. WHAT ARE WE WORKING ON? >> WE RAN OUT OF TIME. >> LET'S DO IT. >> SO I'VE GOT -- BUT WHAT I -- TO BE CLEAR, I DID NOT CE WITH THE INTENTION OF PLUGGING ANYTHING I'M DOING.

>> I HAVE ENJOYED YOUR PIECES, BY THE WAY. >> IF ANYONE WATCHING OR LISTENING HAPPENS TO BE A T-MOBILE CUSTOMER AND THEY THINK THEY MIGHT BE AFFECTED BY THE MOBI DATA BREACH, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCES ARE. T-MOBILE HAS NOT TALKED ABOUT THE FULL SCOPE. THEY'VE OFFERED INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT KIND OF DATA WAS LEAKED AND POSSIBLY HOW MANY PEOPLE THAT AFFECTED, BUT THERE'S STILL A LOT OF UNCLEAR FACTORS THERE. SO IF YOU'VE HEARD FROM T-MOBILE, TRYING TO CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD, I'VE HEARD FROM SOME PEOPLE THAT IS NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE ABLE TO DO ONLINE.

SOME PEOPLE ARE BEING ROUTED TO GO TO STORES TO CONFIRM. >> WIL EMAIL YOU. OVE TO HEAR IT. >> SEND VELASC FIELDS. WHATEVER.

IT'S FINE. >> LET'S MOVE ON TO OUR POP CULTURE PICKS. SHIRLIN, I KNOW YOU'RE VERY EXCITED TO TALK ABOUT -- >> OH, MY GOSH, YOU ALL, I SAW SHANGTEE AND THE TEN RINGS AT A PRESS PREVIEW. I CAN'T TALK, I DON'T THINK, TOO MUCH ABOUT IT. I CAN SAY I WATCHED IT.

I ENJOYED IT. >> I THINK THESE ARE UP, AREN'T THEY? >> THERE IS A DIFFERENT EMBARGO FOLATE IN EMONTH. BUT I WILL SAY THIS. I DON'T -- I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS ABOUT IT THAT AREN'T TECH RELATED, BUT WHO CARES. YOU ARE NOT ALWAYS HERE FOR TECH ONLY.

GREAT ACTION SCENES. VERY GOOD ACTION SCENES. AND I SAY THIS AS SOMEONE WHO GREW UP CONSUMING ASIAN CINEMA. SO, SO GOOD. I WAS BLOWN AWAY FROM THE START.

I HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS ON WHY CAN'T WE FIND OTHER ASIAN ACTRESSES IN THE WORLD ANY MORE BECAUSE AQUA FINA IS NOT THE ONLY ONE. SHE'S GREAT. I LIKE HER A LOT. SHE'S AN EXCELLENT COMEDIAN. GIVE, RIDE THAT WAVE OF POPULARITY ALL YOU CAN, OF COURSE.

>> THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IN HOLLYWOOD. SOME PEOPLE BREAK OUT AND THEY'RE JUST CAST AND EVERYTHING. >> EXACTLY. I'M KIND OF NOT -- I'VE SEEN HER ASIAN HEAVY FILMS. YOU KNOW, I'M GOOD.

MICHELLE YO, SAME THING, YOU KNOW, SHE'S ALSO THE DE FACTO OLDER ASIAN WOMAN IN MOST THINGS. >> BUT SHE'S GREAT. SHE STILL KICKS ASS. LIKE IN STAR TREK DISCOVERY, SHE IS STILL IN IT. >> SHE WAS ALSO IN GUARDIANS.

SO THIS IS WEIRD THAT SHE'S SHOWING UP HERE. LIKE DOUBLE CHARACTER IN THE MCU. GREAT. BUT, NO, SHE KICKS ASS. HER AND MAI.

AGAIN, THERE'S MORE. ALSO, THE LAST ACT OF THE SHOW GETS A LITTLE WONKY, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO SPOIL TOO MUCH FOR YOU. TONY LEONG, OH, MY GOD. SO GOOD STILL. >> THE BEST, YES.

>> THE BEST. AND FINALLY, IT WAS VERY GRATIFYING AS AN ASIAN PERSON WHO IS BILINGUAL ACTUALLY -- ANYWAY, LOTS OF LINGUAL. >> WOW. >> WATCHING THIS AND EVERYONE SPEAKING THE DIFFERENT LANGUAGES, MORE OR LESS IS PRONOUNCING EVERYTHING CORRECTLY. >> GREAT.

>> EVERY TIME I WATCH A SHOW WHERE SOMEONE SPEAKS CHINESE, THEY DO NOT SPEAK PROPER -- THEY SPEAK CHINESE THE WAY CHRIS VELASCO SPEAKS CHINESE. DO YOU WANT TO SHOW OFF TO PEOPLE? >> AND THE ACTUAL PRONOUNCEATION SHOULD BE -- >> I'M ON THE SCREAM END OF PRONOUNCING IT CORRECTLY BECAUSE I DID THE CHINESE ACCENT THING, TOO. BUT IMAGINE MY PAIN WHEN I'M WATCHING A MOVIE AND I KNOW HOW. IF YOU'RE WATCHING A KOREAN MOVIE AND THE ONE PERSON WHO SHOEFD SUPPOSEDLY GREW UP IN AMERICA GOES LIKE HOW -- HOW LOW. HOW ARE YOU? VERY FLUENT IN ENGLISH NOW.

THANKS. AND IT'S NOT JUST THE ACCENTING. ANYWAY, MARVEL, IT TOOK MARVEL DOES SHE STOP IT, VIDEO TEAM. IT TOOK MARVEL TO BE THE ONE TO MAKE SOMETHING THAT FELT SATISFYING ON THAT FRONT. IT WAS SO STRANGE.

AND EVERYONE SPOKE TO CHINESE WITH EACH OTHER WHEN THERE WAS NO OTHER ENGLISH SPEAKING PSON IN THE ROOM, WHICH IS SO IMPORTANT. >> I DON'T WANT TO GIVE MARVEL TOO MUCH CREDIT HERE. >> I KNOW. LET'S WIND THIS BACK A LITTLE. >> I DID CHANGE MY MIND ON THAT MIDWAY THROUGH, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO MUCH INTO THAT ON OUR PODCAST.

YOU CAN ALWAYS KWAKT ME ON YOUR FILM PODCAST -- >> WE ARE WAY BEYOND THE THIRD -- WHAT ARE WE NOW, THE 25th MOVIE? IN THE NEXT PHASE -- >> THE FOURTH. >> MCU, THEY GAVE US -- WONDERFUL. WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE SHOW? WITH THE WHITE DUD >> THE VENABLES? >> IRON FIST. >> DO NOT FORGET ABOUT IRON FIST. >> SHOULD IT NOT BE A DOCTOR -- >> REALLY DUMB TO DO THAT.

ANYWAY, I'M GLAD SHE DID WELL FOR YOU, SRLIN I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING IT. I HEAR THE CHOREOGRAPHY IS GOOD. THE DIRECTOR, WHO DID SHORT-TERM -- WHICH IS AN INCREDIBLE INDY MOVIE, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY REALLY -- MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE HE'S AN ASIAN-AMERICAN FIMAKE I DIDN'T LIKE HIS LAST MOVIE. HE DID TWO. JUST MERCY AND THE GLASS CASTLE.

BUT IT IS AN INCREDIBLE FILM. AND YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO WATCH THAT WITHOUT CRYING. I JUST WANT TO SHOUT OUT THE GREEN KNIGHT, IT STARTS DEV PATEL. IT'S SORT OF LIKE HIM IN OUR THEORY AND LEGEND WHERE HE IS A YOUNG KNIGHT OUT TO PROVE HIMSELF. BASICALLY, ON A QUEST TO PROVE HIS MASCULINITY AND PROVE HIS HEROISM.

I LOVE A GOOD THEORY AND LEGEND. I DON'T THINK IT'S DONE. IT YOU HASN'T BEEN DONE REALLY WELL IN MOVIES ASIDE FROM EXCALIBUR, A MOVIE I ABSOLUTELY ADORE AND I THINK THIS MOVIE IS FANTASTIC. AND I'M SHOUTING IT OUT NOW BECAUSE IT IS STREAMING ON VIDEO DEMAND AS OF TODAY. SO YOU CAN RENT IT, YOU CAN BUY IT.

YODON'HAVEO G TO THEATER. IT IS A WONDERFUL SLOW BURN OF A FANTASY FILM. IT IS NOT LIKE -- IT'S NOT LORD OF THE RINGS. IT'S NOT A SUPER STRAIGHTFORWARD THING, BUT I THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL. AND I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD SEE IT.

SO CHECK OUT THE GREEN NIGHT. THATS MY PICK. >> NOTHING, NOTHING NEW. I LIVE IN THE PAST. >> GOOD.

>> THAT IS COMING IN QUITE HANDY. SO WHAT'S BEEN JUST SORT OF SUSTAINING ME FOR A WHILE NOW IS A REWATCH OF STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION. AND LAST NIGHT, I WATCHED -- I FORGET WHAT THE EPISODE WAS CALLED. BUT IT'S THE EPISODE WHERE CAPTAIN PICCARD IS FORCED BY HIS CREW TO TAKE A VACATION ON THE PLEASURE PLANET. AND HE SORT OF -- HE'S IMMEDIATELY KISSED BY A WOMAN WHEN HE GETS THERE AND GETS SUCKED INTO THIS WORLD OF INTRIGUE AND AARENY TS EPISODE CAME ABOUT BACK PATRICK STEWART WHO WAS DATING THE ACTRESS SAID THAT CAPTAIN PICCARD SHOULD DO MORE Fing AND Fing, FIGHTING AND FORENICATING.

SO IF YOU WANT TO WATCH A MAN OF INDETERMINATE AGE BE GRUMPY BECAUSE HE CAN'T READ A BOOK BUT GETS SUCKED INTO A TIME TRAVELING PLOT OF INTRIGUE, LOOK AT THAT EPISODE. >> AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE A REALLY UN-PATRICK STEWART, WHO IS STILL BALD, HE'S IN EXCALIBUR. EVERYBODY IS IN THAT MOVIE. WATCH IT, PEOPLE. I THINK THAT'S IT, FOLKS.

LET'S BRING IT IN FOR A LANDING, SHIRLIN. >> WELL, THAT'S IT FOR THE EPISODE THIS WEEK, EVERYONE. THANK YOU AS ALWAYS FOR LISTENING. OUR THEME MUSIC IS BY DALE NORTH. THE PODCAST IS PRODUCED BY BEN ELMAN.

YOU CAN FIND DEVINDRA ONLINE AT -- >>@DEVINDRA ON TWITTER AND AT THE FILM PODCAST. COM. >> FIND CHRIS SKR ELASCO AT HIS WASHINGTON POST ADDRESS BUT ALSO, WHERE ELSE ONLINE CAN PEOPLE FIND YOU, V? >> FIND ME @CHRISVELASCO ON TWITTER. COM. >> IF YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS FOR ASIAN ACTRESSES THAT SHOULD BE IN MORE HOLLYWOOD FILMS, PLEASE SEND THEM TO ME ON TWITTER, SHIRLIN.

WE'RE TAKING NEXT WEEKFFROM THE LIVE STREAM. USE THAT TIME TO ASK US MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE NEW PHONE SEASON OR ANYTHING ELSE GANDGET RELATED. SUBSCRIBE ON ANYTHING THAT GETS PODCASTS, INCLUDING SPOTIFY. >> OKAY. WE'RE CLEAR.

AND THERE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FROM THE CHAT. >> SURE. >> THAT I WANT TO GET TO. SO I DON'T KNOW IF TIM -- TIM LONGSON HAS STRUCK AROUND, BUT E WAS ASKING JUST AROUND THE END OF OUR LAST Q&A SECTION, DO ANY PHONES HAVE THE SDABLGED BATTERY CHARGING OPTION? IS SOU CAN USE THE FOREIGN PLUGGED IN TO GAME WITH CHARGING TURNED OFF SO IT DOESN'T WARE ON THE BATTERY? >> THAT'S A GOOD -- I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT. >> THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

I WANT THAT TO EXIST IN EVERYTHING, IN ANY PHONE I'VE EVER TESTED THAT HAS EVER HAD THAT. >> I WISH I COULD ENTABLE THAT. >> WOULD THAT PUT MORE WEAR ON THE BATTERY? >> IF YOU COULD BYPASS THE BATTERY -- >> THAT'S THE THING. YOU WOULD V TO HAVE TWO SEPARATE SYSTEMS. IT COULD BE INTERESTING.

I THINK THAT'S MORE LIKE WHEN -- EVEN THOUGH NINTENDO SWITCH, WHEN YOU PUT IT IN THE DOCK, IT IS STILL LIKE CHARGING. SO WHAT FUNNIES DO NOW TYPICALLY IS THERE'S INTELLIGENT CHARGING. IF YOU STICK YOUR PHONE INTO YOUR CHARGERVERNHT, IT'S NOT GOING TO CHARGE IT UP ALL THE WAY. IT'S GOING, LIKE, LOOK AT WHEN YOU TYPICALLY GET UP AND DO THE BULK OF THAT CHARGING CLOSER TO THE MORNING. SO THERE ARE WAYS THEY'RE GETTING AROUND IT.

>> DO YOU KNOW IF IT STILL DOES THAT INTELLIGENCE CHARGING IF THE PHONE IS OFF? >> I DON'T THINK IT CAN. I'M NOT SURE. >> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. >> I AM NOT SURE IF IT DOES SO. >> PHONES ARE IN YOU NEVER FULLY OFF.

I WAS GOING TO SAY, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T CHARGE THEIR PHONES WHEN THEY'RE OFF ANY MORE. I'M NOT SURE. >> THAT IS A WEIRD THING THAT I DO. I WILL TURN MY PHONE COMPLETELY OFF. I TURN MY PHONE OFF AT NIGHT.

>> YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. >> I DON'T NEED THOOD, BUT I DO. I'M GOING THE BED, MY PHONE IS GOING TO BED. >> YOU GET A FRESH OS WHEN YOU WAKE UP, BASICALLY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING.

I' FOU BECSE OVER THE LASTWHAT FEW YEARS, USING MY PHONE, SOMETIMES I WILL CHARGE IT WITH THE -- CHARGE IT ON AND THEN I'LL USE IT FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS JUST BECAUSE, LIKE, I'M OUT OR, YOU KNOW, ON -- YOU KNOW OUT AND ABOUT OR SOMETHING. I'M NOT DOING MY USUAL RITUALS AS IF I WAS AT HOME. AND I AM NOTICE THAT THE BATTERY DRAINS FASTER IF I'VE HAD THE PHONE ON FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS VERSUS MY USUAL RITUAL OF TURNING THE PHONE OFF EVERY DAY AND -- >> IT'S A GOOD STRATEGY, YEAH. >> SO ANOTHER QUESTION FROM JIFER IS, SO, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THESE THING. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU CAN TALK ABOUT AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION FROM -- NOT THE "NEW YORK TIMES," "THE WASHINGTON POST.

" >> THE OTHER ONE. >> AN ACTIVE INVESTIGATION FROM "THE WASHINGTON POST" BUT JIFER ASKS, THEY HAVE A QUESTION, SO T-MOBILE SUBNETWORKS, LIKE MINT MOBILE, WOULD THEY BE AFFECTED? >> T-MOBILE HASOT SAID ANYTHING PUBLICLY. THEY HAVE NOT ANSWERED ANY QUESTIONS THAT DIDN'T COME UP IN EITHER OF THE TWO RELEASES THEY'VE ISSUED SO FAR. FROM WHAT WE UNDERSTAND, NVNOs, LIKE MINT, I THINK SIMPLE MOBILE MIGHT USE T-MOBILE, BUT ANY SORT SUBRRIE BRAND THAT PAYS FOR ACCESS TO T-MOBILE'S NETWORK, WE DON'T BELIEVE THOSE WERE AFFECTED. RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS JUST -- I SAY JUST BUT IT'S STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE.

IT'S ABOUT 7.8 MILLION PEOPLE CURRENTLY WHO HAVE POST PAID ACCOUNTS, WHICH MEANS YOU GET A ABT 40 MILLION PEOPLE WHO NTH. APPLIED FOR CREDITS WITH T-MOBILE AT SOME POINT BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO BECOME ONE OF THOSE POST PAID CUSTOMERS AND 850,000 PREPAID ACCOUNT OWNERS WHO ARE SORT OF AFFECTED BY THIS. NOW, THE ONE THING TO PNT OUT, IT TAKES A BIT TO UNPACK BECAUSE THE INITIAL REPORTS ABOUT ALL OF THIS WHICH MOTHER BOOR PUBLISHED I BELIEVE ON SUNDAY, THEY SUGGESTED THAT THE HACKERS HAD OBTAINED ABOUT 100 MILLION RECORDS, WHICH IS BASICALLY TWICE AS MUCH AS T-MOBILE HAS ADMITTED TO SO FAR. AND THEY ALSO SAID AT THE TIME T INCLUDE REALLY SORT OF IDENTIFIABLE DEVICE INFORMATION, LIKE IMIAS AND T-MOBILE HAS NOT ADDRESSED EITHER OF THOSE. SO IF YOU'RE A SIMPLE MOBILE, IF YOU'RE A MINT CUSTOMER, YOU'RE PROBABLY FINE, BUT DO YOUR BEST TO STAY ON TOP OF ALL OF THE NEWS COMING O ON THIS.

THAT INVESTIGATION THAT T-MOBILE IS DOING IS MOVING PRETTY FAST. >> WOW. ON CAN WANT SO THAT'S WHAT THEY DO WHEN YOU GO TO WORK FOR "THE WASHINGTON POST. " >> SHUT UP, BEN. >> THEY JUST MAKE YOU DO BIG DATA DUMPS.

>> THAT'S GREAT. >> SO VERY PROFESSIONAL AND ON THE BALL. SO UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, CHAD, THIS IS YOURER YOU LAST COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO >> WHILE WE WAIT FOR THAT, I WANTED TO DO MY USUAL SHOUT OUT THING TO PEOPLE. MARK DELL, DMAN, ACBC, WILLSO, JEDI MIND TRICK ON YOU. I REMEMBER SEEING NEUTRON STAR A KNEWIS NEWISH NAME, BUT BECOMING A REGULAR.

JONATHAN ANDERSON, WE SEE YOU. IT'S SO NICE TO SEE ALL OF YOU COMING BACK. BUT WE ALSO PRESSURE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE NEW OR NEWISH TO OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE COMING BACK. LIKE I SAID, NEUON STAR, TIM, YOU MENTIONED JUST NOW. >> SEEING JIFER AND GABRIEL MORE OFTEN.

>> GABRIEL, DEFINITELY. TODAY WE GOT TOMMY SHERSHAFF. NICK SUMMERS, WHO IS FORMER ENGADGET, LIKE V,RAIT V. >> OKAY. >> TRAITOR NICK.

>> YOU CAN'T CALL HIM THAT. YOU CAN CALL ME TRAITOR V ALL YOU WANT, BUT YOU CAN'T CALL HIM TRAITOR NICK. >> WAIT, ACTUALLY, THAT IS THE NEXT PHOTO SHOP WE NEED. WE NEED CHRIS VE LASCO'S HEAD ON TRAITOR NICK'S BODY. >> MARK, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE BEN SAID IT AND -- >> NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, MARK.

>> HI ALSO TO SOBKU WHO WAS ACT. WE APPRECIATE ALL OF YOU COMING TO HANG OUT WITH US. AGAIN, INSOME OF YOU ARE DISAPPOINTED THAT WE WON'T HAVE A LIVE STREAM NEXT WEEK, BUT WE'RE TAKING A BREAK. >> UNLESS SOMETHING BIG HAPPENS. I'LL PUT SOMETHING LILY -- , BUT, YEAH, MOST >> EXACTLY.

BUT WE -- YOU KNOW, EMAIL US. WE WANT TO -- ALSO, WHEN YOU EMAIL US, WE'LL PROBABLY FOLLOW UP, BUT IF YOU WANT TO SAY AHEAD OF TIME WHETHER WE CAN USE YOUR QUESTION AND YOUR NAME AND YOUR PREFERRED PRONOUNS INUR SW LATER ON SO IT SAVES US TIME ON THE BACK AND FORTH. >> YEAH. WE GOT AN INTERESTING EMAIL FROM SOMEONE WHO WORKS AT A POST OFFICE IN ALASKA AND WE'RE GOING THE BE TALKING WAY MORE ABOUT THAT IN A FUTURE EPISODE. BUT WE HAVE WAY TOO MUCH PHONE STUFF TO TALK ABOUT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, SO -- >> SO MANY PHONES, YEAH.

>> HI, 540 WHO HAS NOT SEEN ANY OF OUR LIVE TESTS BEFORE. THANK YOU. WELCOME. THEY'RE FUN. >> HIT REWIND IF YOU MISSED IT BECAUSE WE'RE WRAPPING UP NOW.

>> WE'RE WRAPPING UP NOW BUT IT'S ALWAYS EASY TO HIT REWIN ON. >> DO DOWN YOUR TIMELINE. DO YOU ACTUALLY HIT REWIND ANY MORE? >> BACK ON THE TIMELINE. >> YOU CAN'T BE KINDRY WIND, BUT TILINE, WHATEVER IT IS. THE THIS STREAM COMES TO YOU VIA OUR VIDEO TEAM LED BY KYLE MOCK AND IT'S POWERED BY EVERYONE IN THE CHAT.

YOU'RE THE ONE WHO MAKES IT FUN. YOU SHOUT OUT INTERESTING QUESTIONS THAT WE WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT TO THINK ABOUT OR DOES SHE WOU-- WOULDN'T HAVE THOUGHT TALK ABOUT OTHERWISE. YOU KNOW ABOUT GADGETS. YOU KNOW ABOUT ALGORITHMS. WRITE THE SHOW FIVE STARS ON iTUNES.

IT'S AN EASY WAY TO HELP OTHER PEOPLE FIND US AND IT HELPS THE SHOW GO. IT'S SO SILLY THAT THIS IS STILL THE STANDARD, BUT IT IS THE STANDARD. WRITE US FIVE STARS. IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED. AND WE'LL SEE YOU -- NOT NEXT WEEK -- BUT THE WEEK AFTER.

>> THANKS, Y'ALL. BYE. >> BYE.

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