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Coming up on DNS Etsy wants some gen z, business Huawei's innovative play to stay relevant as a software maker and what's new from Facebook's f8 development conference. This is the daily tech news for Wednesday June, 2nd 2021 in Los Angeles, I'm tom Merritt and from studio redwood, I'm Sarah lane in Salt Lake City, I'm Scott Johnson and on the show's producer, roger Chang. We were just talking about uh, vacation movies and melatonin. If you'd like that, wider conversation and some jet lag dealing tips join our expanded, show good day internet become a member and get it at patreon. com DNS. Let's start with a few tech things you should know Microsoft announced it will hold an event to announce the next generation of windows at 11am eastern time on June 24th.

Microsoft is rolling visual elements from the show shelved at windows from the now shelved Windows 10 x. So many folks expect significant UI changes as well as a more developer, friendly, app store. Microsoft also announced that version 92 of the edge browser will support automatic HTTPS capabilities automatically switching URLs to use encrypted HTTPS connections, security, researcher, gabby Berlin reports that both android and iOS versions of the Alibaba owned UC Browser send IP addresses and unique user ID numbers to Alibaba's U. S. hosted servers even if you're using incognito mode.

You know IP addresses not so bad unique user ID numbers, not so great. Since these findings were published, the English version of UC Browser was removed from Apple's app store. Although the Chinese language version and google play apps are still available, IKEA listed a 199 dollar symphonic 22 inches by 16 inch picture frame with Wi-Fi speaker on its site made in collaboration with Sonos. Although the product has not been formally announced and no release date is yet listed, the picture frame supports airplay 2 allows for stereo pairing, including using them as rear, surround speakers and can be controlled through the Sonos app lg announced it's going to phase out lg pay its digital wallet over the remainder of 2021, with plans to fully shut it down. On November, 1st users will be able to use your existing cards linked to lg pay until then till November, 1st, but functionality like adding new cards and purchasing gift cards will be shut down before then, according to a pentagon report summary seen by the hill, two DGI drones built for government use, have been cleared for use by the pentagon with an audit finding no malicious code or intent.

Back in january 2020, the interior department grounded its fleet of over 500 DGI drones over cybersecurity concerns. Okay, so we're friends with Xiaomi and DJI again, but still not Huawei. Let's talk instead about fashion Scott, I think so. Uh, let's get a little crafty as well. You'll see why that word came up.

Etsy announced it's acquiring the fashion resale marketplace, d-pop in a cash deal worth 1.6 billion dollars u. s. This is expected to close by the end of quarter three of this year, uh d-pop was founded in 2020 or excuse me.2011 has 30 million users across 150 countries, with 90 of its users under the age of 26 and specializes in vintage clothes and street wear according to the Boston. Consulting group, the global market for pre-owned apparel, is worth up to about 40 billion dollars a year. That's a lot of money, that's about two percent of the total apparel market and expected to grow to 15 to 20 annually for the next five years.

This is a big purchase uh for Etsy uh d-pop. If you're not familiar, looks a lot like I mean there, there are many resales uh platforms these days. Postmark is a big one thread up um I mean the list goes on. Uh d-pop is another. D-Pop is a little different though, because it skews so young and it also if you're, not if you haven't used it before it, mimics Instagram, really, specifically, so that if you're scrolling through depot, it's as if you're scrolling through an Instagram feed of influencers- but it's all very focused on you know well Instagram is you know, focused on sort of people looking their best, but this is about.

Like hey look at me in this awesome shirt, want to buy it kind of thing, so it's it has uh it. He has gained a lot of traction in I'd, say a short amount of time, but the company's been around since 2011, I think and uh but uh, but it is it's definitely uh popular with the younger set. And it's interesting to me because Etsy I mean people of all ages use Etsy, but I think it's user-based SKU is a bit older yeah, it's a lot of DIY stuff, but so is the idea of recycling and repurposing clothes. It's a pretty good match yeah. I also think it's interesting that we're seeing companies uh kind of eating around the edges of Amazon.

We've talked in the past about Shopify becoming an Amazon competitor slowly, by connecting you directly to independent sellers in a way that Amazon doesn't do in as friendly of a way. Uh independent sellers complain about Amazon. Shopify is like you're going to own your relationship, we're just going to be the intermediary, but we will aggregate a bunch of things and be a huge marketplace for people to discover you Etsy seems to be wanting to do a similar thing, which are we have a huge marketplace for a particular market, but we don't have you know, recycled fashion targeted towards this demo. Let's add that uh and I think that's an interesting move and a smart move for Etsy to make yeah. This is so.

I have a 21-year-old son just turned 21, and he uses this service all the time um. I think news like this isn't going to really affect his outlook on it, or you know any more than his outlook on Facebook buying Instagram still prefers Instagram over other social services uh. So this little crossover, I think, will be kind of a blip to the user base uh. As long as depot continues to do what it does, it will continue to be kind of the thrift store of the now like that's what it reminds me of, but just digging through some of these I'm like yeah. This is what I used to need, my friends, to go to the thrift store and look for this stuff.

In fact, some of this stuff is from when I was a teenager, and it's back again and who knows what people are wearing but um, but yeah. I think it seems like uh, probably a good acquisition. It just seems like a there's, not a lot of crossovers, though um between this and Etsy, and maybe there is, it does have an apparel. You know section yeah, that's right, you know, and you know again, a lot of it is sort of like I made this shirt. Do you want it um, but there's so much of that going on, for example, over the last let's say year, you know, but maybe a couple of years, the idea of tie-dyeing your own clothes, while some of us remember doing that as kids is very hot again, it's like you, buy something, that's a simple white t-shirt or something you Thai diet, and you can flip it for some money and young people realize that you know it? If you can make a buck doing something, then it might be worth it.

I think it's also interesting timing, not just for two companies like Etsy and depot, but the idea that a lot of people were grounded from going to department stores or big retailers during the pandemic. It- and you know in many cases, still are so you've got that going on. So you turn to services like depot a little more than you might have otherwise and then go oh. This is pretty convenient. Also, you've been sitting around at home, and you got a closet full of things, and you no longer need that blazer and maybe somebody else wants it.

You know you might be able to hand it off type of thing, so this whole second-hand market of apparel. I think uh, the Boston Consulting Group is right, that it is going to be a sector that grows quite a bit, at least in the near term yeah, and keep in mind we think of Etsy as the craft marketplace, and it still is that, but it has moved beyond just things you made. I bought some used plastic cups on their like it. It is moving into eBay territory. Quite a lot more and in that respect, adding deep pop makes perfect sense, um all right, we're still mad at Huawei uh.

Here in the United States. When I say we'm in the United States government, I'm not part of the United States government, I should say they uh. The government. Uh is not letting up on Huawei, which means it can't get parts to make its own stuff, which means it has to turn to software, but it can't use Google's version of android. So Huawei has now launched its harmony OS for mobile phones coming to the flagship, mate 40 on June, 2nd and other Huawei phones.

Over the coming months, previously Huawei had only run harmony OS on its televisions and some of its IOT devices. The company denies that harmony OS is in any way a derivative of android, saying no single line of code is identical to android, but verge's john porter was able to side load the WhatsApp android APK onto a harmony OS powered mate pad pro, and it worked just fine. So you leave that as an exercise for the audience, Huawei is building the operating system as a platform for making it easier to connect devices to each other, and this is interesting positioning. If you're going to get into the operating system market, you have to find a reason to switch operating systems. It says it's open to other phone makers using the harmony OS on their phones, but it's really after IOT device makers to interoperate with it.

The hope seems to be to make Huawei phones stand out as the easiest phones to use to control your smart home. The president of Huawei's consumer business group software department, Wang Chung Liu, told reporters. The problem with existing operating systems is that devices can't be connected easily with users, often having to download separate apps to get things to connect, but harmony. Os can enable devices to be connected to form a super device. It will work as one file system literally one device concept.

Are you have a control panel on your harmony, OS device that you can use to do all the stuff? You compare Bluetooth headphones with your TV from the phone without having to add a bunch of apps. Your smart drink maker can be customized to make its recipes fit the health requirements. It reads off. Your smartwatch Huawei also released a harmony OS plugin that lets it communicate with windows and other operating systems. So you can do things like save photos from your phone directly to a laptop.

So far, Miku has hinted that its smart devices might adopt harmony OS, but we haven't heard any word on the bigger players like opp, VIVO or Xiaomi, which, if you're inside china you're going to need those big players on board Huawei. Also announced new mate pad tablets running the snapdragon processors, not Huawei's own Karin processors, implying that they aren't able to build those fast enough anymore. They announced their first harmony, OS powered smartwatches. They were using a light OS before that they announced a new stylist and teased an announcement of an upcoming flagship, p50 phone. I can't help but think of harmony, remotes, and I can't get it out of my head.

That it is really, I'm struggling with it. I know I can't help it because you're, just like hey harmony, OS, I'm like, is that the OS in a harmony remote? No, it's not it's not at all. It's not even close, but um, interesting! It's when we were talking about this prior to the show uh. Furthermore, it hit me that this just feels like the era of windows and mac competing in the 90s and other OS, is popping up and saying: hey we're going to be the amazing third alternative and what ended up happening instead. Is the two leaders sort of just stayed windows, of course, in their very dominant position and little things would pop up? Like you know, Linux happened and different forks of Linux, uh and Unix and different things like that, but the stuff that tried to come to consumers, homes never really happened, and I wonder if we're not going to see this uh particular one harmony, OS kind of mirror that it's not like the first time somebody said hey what about our mobile operating system and then nobody paid much attention to it, but that's a big market and maybe in China it could really make inroads with what they're promising I don't know feels like maybe more there than here yeah there's.

Definitely you know the market to take into consideration. To me this sounds a little like what Huawei is saying is you've got all these devices? How are they ever going to talk to each other? We're going to be? You know the know ground zero, the mainframe for everything, but isn't that what matter is supposed to help achieve? Formerly chip uh? As far as the internet of things, devices being able to talk to each other, and you've got you've, got big device makers on board for that as well. Well, and yes, and no matter supposed to make it easy for interoperability, so that if you're using HomeKit, you can connect to all the Google and Amazon stuff if you're using Alexei, you can connect. All the Google and apple stuff right matter makes that easy, which works against harmony OS. I think what harmony OS is trying to be, though, is like hey, but you still need to add device apps in a lot of cases.

Uh you still have to. You still have to often have a vacuum: cleaner, app and a rice cooker app and a washing machine app. Wouldn't it be nice if that stuff all worked from one dashboard, but you're right. Sarah, that's kind of what matter allows home kit and Google's home and everything to become also in which case, if you can't get the device makers on board with harmony because they're, like oh we're doing matter, then you're kind of dead in the water yeah well, uh not dead. In the water is f8 refresh uh if you're not familiar with refresh it's Facebook's, currently virtual, they went virtual back in 2020 for the first time, but also pared down annual developer conference, so the company announced all businesses can now use the messenger API to interact with users on Instagram kind of big story out of the conference.

The feature was first announced as a closed beta back in october 2020 for 30 developers and 700 brands. So it was, it was a small test. It will publicly roll out in phases over this year, depending on how many follower counts. A business has the more follower account you have the more soon you're going to get it. Facebook also announced deeper support for shared AR effects and games, and video calls in Facebook's mobile apps.

Think Instagram messenger. Much like its video chat service portal already has for ARF AR enhanced games. Storytelling modes effects for chats that sort of thing, messenger and Instagram already had AR effects on some level, but support for multiplayer will allow for people in one chat or game to share common effects or experiences and Facebook launched the pie, torch enterprise support program as one of the founding members of the PyTorch enterprise support program. Microsoft is launching pi torch enterprise on Microsoft, azure to support each release. Facebook is also close to finishing a move of all of its AI models to PyTorch.

Facebook hopes that the move to the open source platform will improve its research and engineering work. Finally, Facebook also said it will launch a new API designed specifically for access by the research community. A lot of academic access was eliminated after the Cambridge Analytica issues. So Facebook says we want to do it better and smarter this time yeah. This is a developer conference with a lot of developers, oriented announcements; uh, not not a developer conference, where they sneaked in a big press release grabbing uh thing, which uh may have surprised some people, but uh yeah.

That's that's! What's going on, there's some nifty stuff here that developers will be able to enable uh for you, um and that pie torch thing I think, is one of the more significant things that, especially if that leads Facebook to have better automated moderation, uh, which everybody's got their eyes on right. Now I thought there'd be some VR talk, um yeah! I don't know why I feel like yeah, I thought the quest two did pretty well and there's certainly room at a developer's conference to talk about development, for you know, headsets and whatever maybe show what's coming up um. You know when they first showed like prototype quest back in the day. I thought that was really rad, and it was part of one of these kinds of conferences. So I guess I'm a little disappointed in that, but yeah.

I think they're saving that stuff oculus has its own developer conference and they're like yeah, well we'll have an oculus announcement on its own and there's this whole idea of the oculus pro and uh. You know pretty much. Everybody working at oculus has said: do not expect that in 2021. So I didn't really expect any oculus news uh at f8 refresh but Scott, I'm with you. I was hoping that there'd just be at least something yeah, especially because Facebook is even though Facebook is very long game on AR the company says repeatedly.

You know anytime, anybody gets too excited. We think that the real you know kind of killer apps for AR are years away, but don't worry spark AR you know. That's that's our AR arm we're working on it, but it's not happening anytime soon, yeah! Well, folks, uh we've had a lot of patrons with us since 2014 uh, the January 26th club, and we love the folks that stick with us as long as they can, even if you're, just getting into supporting us on Patreon. We want to thank you for sticking around for just three months. We've got Patreon loyalty rewards.

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These digital red envelopes will each have 200 yawns a person which is about the equivalent of 31 u. s. You can sign up for the lottery June.6Th and disbursements will begin June.11Th. All your currency must be used by June 20th. This is a temporary program just to test it out.

The deep currency will be given out in a lottery and spent just like regular yawn accepted at about 2 000 retail locations, so you will be able to find places to spend it. The BOC has conducted experiments in several major cities, including shanghai Shenzhen and more BOC deputy governor lee beau, said last April that they're considering letting visitors use digital currency during the Winter Olympics, which is coming to Beijing in 2022. Central banks from Thailand and the United Arab Emirates are also signed up with the BOC to test cross-border use cases for digital currency. This is where the rubber meets the road. For me.

I know I come on the show all the time, looking like a starry-eyed dummy about crypto, but there's something about governments who issue their own currencies now, right like we have the dollar and the one and everything else like they're already doing that, and they have been for in some cases, centuries um. Why wouldn't it? Why? Wouldn't it happen there? In other words, it's not just going to be a bunch of crypto companies and people that run blockchain stuff and in betweenness and all that it if it's going to really take off they'll, be nationalized currencies, and so, when this starts to happen, I go ah now. That's when I can start make sense of this like this is when not makes sense but make like practical, daily sense of it, a usable, not just a weird speculative market, that's confusing to a lot of people but hard currency in a bank showing you what it's worth spending it on things, getting things in return, exchanging it and so on. Now we're talking well- and this seems, like you know, the rollout is relatively small. If you converted to you know you had mentioned tom 201 is equivalent to 31 U.

S. dollars. Okay, give me 31 U. S. digital dollars, and I'll spend it on something, and so that goes to either.

You know one merchant or a variety of merchants, depending on what I'm getting and all of a sudden that money, it's an it's a small finite number, but you pretty quickly can see. Okay, this is where it spread to just like any money, and I yeah I'd come a company. A country like China is probably, is maybe the most fascinating country to watch this unfolds in because it's big uh, because digital is already so widely adopted and to see how how the spread rolls out and how seamless or seamless the rollout is, and we're working on this too. We have to be right. I don't hear a lot about it.

Maybe there's official stuff or not- I don't know, but you know it's being worked on it's at the very same. You mean the United States, United States of America, the country I live in. I want to know that we're not going to be freaking johnny come last on this deal, uh and the rest of the world sort of just you know putters on with this amazing way in first place and lots of things but well true, but I would love it. I would love it if we, if we had a plan, I don't know what it is, and I'm not. This isn't me complaining that we need new leadership for planning.

I just mean you know. What are we doing? We got to do this. I will. I will add that there is uh, there is conscientious uh, footnote, I wouldn't say foot dragging but making sure that other people go first, because the digital currency they currently have in mind for the US. They want to make sure that they understand all the pitfalls of rolling out a digital currency and all the things they haven't thought of yet, and so when they roll it out, they do try to make will be as seamless as possible and less disruptive to the market.

So it might be a case of let everyone dive in first see how it works out, and then we'll pick up all the good things and maybe be able to leave out the bad things that that might be what they're doing that. That might even be intentional. It might be a great way to spin the fact that you're behind, but it might end up being smart anyway right to let somebody else make the mistakes. Yes, the United States is developing this. Every country is developing this uh they're, all in various states, uh of launch and nobody's behind uh china.

China likes to put the stuff out here, so they look like they're on the cutting edge, but they are still far from making this an accepted, widely used, uh type of currency, Europe uh. We had a story earlier this week about Europe testing a digital wallet, not, not digital coins in it yet, but Europe has its own uh ideas for digital euro everybody's in the early stages. What china's doing is like testing out some systems, which is your know, it's a smart way to get some feedback, but yeah you're, giving people 30 bucks, they're going to go out, and you know, buy some Hawthorne berry, candy and a bow and a milk tea, and you know then they're done for the day like this. This is just to see how the system works. This is far from being.

Let's spread it they're, even not even sure, if they want to let other people from outside the country use it at the Winter Olympics, which would be a huge way uh to drive adoption of it right, especially among merchants. Oh, look at this. I'm going to talk about Bloomberg and mark German. Now how about that tell me my eyeballs went down to the kicker, but that's not where my eye should have been Bloomberg's. Mark German notes that three members of apple's self-driving car management team have left the company this year, don't quite see a pattern yet, but maybe Benjamin Lyon, who helped create apple's original car team left in February to become chief engineer at a satellite company autonomous car safety team, lead Jamie away left to be CTO at an autonomous car safety startup and most recently the robotics team lead Dave.

Scott became CEO of a company developing next generation. MRI systems, interesting crossover, former tesla engineer, Doug fields still runs the division under apple SVP and ml and AI uh john GIA Grande. I'm sure that's. Thank you very much also with about 12 executives and hundreds of engineers, some former tesla execs in charge of drive systems and manufacturing engineering, car interiors and exteriors and self-driving software are all still at apple. Apple has gone from possibly designing a car to just systems to be used by other carmakers to maybe designing a whole car again.

Hyundai was rumored to be partnering with apple and then denied it, but high profile exits make people think something's up. Yeah, read these tea leaves what do you? What do you see when you, when you see three departures happening in sequence like that? Well and that's a thing right, it's its! This is there's so many factors here. First, it's apple, so it's like apple's building a car. Well, maybe they're building technology for somebody else, who's building a car. All of those things have been floated.

All of those things may be true. All those things may not be true when they were reported, and then they changed yeah, that's right, yeah, but when you do have three higher profile executive roles left in a short period of time. You think well something's, going on over there. It doesn't mean that apple has abandoned plans to figure out some sort of self-driving car, but it does seem somewhat volatile or maybe plans have gone on to the back burner in some capacity, which wouldn't surprise me at quite a few large companies at this point, because we're just we've been in a weird year but uh but yeah it sounds. It sounds like you.

You've got people in charge who are like you know, I'm going to go. Do this other thing instead? Is it possible that they're um, I mean apple, is kind of we were talking earlier about? Maybe you shouldn't be first to market. Sometimes that's apple. You know let someone else be the diamond Rio, and we'll come in and be the iPod, maybe they're, thinking that way about cars. So it's they've got the money, they got the backing, and they can just kind of hover this r d and have it sort of be there and change lanes when it needs to no pun intended, and maybe these guys are just in a position where, like okay, this is great, but I'd really like to get wheels on the road, like literally I'd like to have a car going, and I'm tired of scrapping all this stuff.

So I'm just going to go. Do something else and that's fine. I like to me that doesn't spell trouble necessarily at any kind of basic company level just says: maybe they need to get out of there and do something else and leave these hundreds. If not thousands of other individuals are all still working on it. They're still there new people come in like to me that strikes me as likely.

What's going on, yeah apple keeps developing stuff until they're, ready to ship it uh that that's all this means, and that may take 10 years. Occasionally it's meant never because it just never met their standards. Uh, look at the air power uh and, and sometimes it just takes a long time. Uh somebody leaving to become CEO of a health system sounds like yeah. I just wanted to move up and that wasn't going to happen at apple right.

Maybe CTO of an autonomous car safety startup is the same situation. Satellite companies a whole different company. All three of these may just be coincidence where their career paths were like yeah, okay, I've put in the time here we're not launching anytime soon. So it's time for me to make a move, and they made a move. I don't think you can read.

I don't think you need to read anymore into it than that all right. Let's check out the mailbag well nick wrote in, and he had a good reminder for all folks that are following the GPU news. As of late. You know whether there's a shortage or something you want to buy. There's a lot of news.

Nick says: remember that and NVIDIA GPUs and laptops are called the 3080 laptop, for example the 3070 laptop, etc. That's an important designation over standard 30 series cards nick uses. The example that, with Amber the desktop 3080 is a 68 SM that streaming multiprocessor 32 watt part with a boost clock of uh 1710 megahertz. The 3080 laptop, however, is a mere 48 SM part with up to a 115 watt TDP and a boost clock of up to 1545 megahertz laptop versions also have reduced rt cores, tensor cores and memory bandwidth, yeah, that's a good reminder uh, especially because yesterday we had desktop cards from NVIDIA and mobile cards from AMD. We do try to make a point of saying these are mobile cards if they're meant for laptops, uh and other mobile devices like that um, but yeah NVIDIA doesn't make it easy uh by naming them essentially the same thing and just tacking on laptop at the end.

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