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. >>> WHAT'S UP, EVERYONE? WELCOME BACK TO ANOTHER LIVE RECORDING OF THE ENGADGET PODCAST. I'M SENIOR EDITOR DEVINDRA HARDAWAR AND I'M JOINED WITH CHERLYNN LOW. >> HELLO. >> OUR REVIEWS EDITOR AND OUR PRODUCER BEN ELMAN. >> HELLO. WHAT'S GOING ON? >> WHAT'S UP? AND IF YOU'VE NOT JOINED US BEFORE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET TO SEE HOW IT'S MADE.

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I THINK SO. I WANT TO QUICKLY SHOUT OUT THE FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE ALREADY GATHERED ON THE CHAT. I RECOGNIZE NAMES FROM THE TWO UNBOXING LIVE STREAMS. MARK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SEYASHA.

PETER FROM OLDER PODCAST LIVE STREAMS. AND JAMES ANDERSON. >> THANK YOU. BY THE WAY, WE ARE ALSO GOING TO BE JOINED BY CHRIS VELAZCO, OUR MOBILE GURU TO TALK ABOUT SOME FUN STUFF HE'S WORKING ON. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A FUN SHOW.

I KNOW HOW MUCH THE INTERNET LOVES V AND ESPECIALLY US BEING TOGETHER, WHICH WAS LITERALLY THE FIRST NIGHT WE STARTED GOING LIVE. >> WE HAVE A COMMENT FOR BEN IN THE CHAT. HE SAYS, BEN LOOKS VERY DOT, DOT, DOT, UH, I THINK YOUR PICTURE. AND MOM ALWAYS SAID IF YOU KEEP MAKING THAT FACE, IT'LL FREEZE LIKE THAT. >> IT'S TRUE.

>> IT'S REALLY BECAUSE I AM IN A VACATION TIME SHARE RIGHT NOW, AND MY INTERNET IS REALLY WEIRD. >> I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BE IN A VACATION TIME SHARE RIGHT NOW. DO EITHER OF YOU CARE TO EXPLAIN THE CONTEXT AROUND THAT PICTURE? BECAUSE IT IS ENGADGET RELATED. >> BEN SPECIFICALLY PICKED AN ENGADGET RELATED PICTURE FOR THE LIVE STREAM FOR THE PODCAST BECAUSE THIS PICTURE WAS TAKEN WHEN WE USED TO BE IN AN OFFICE, AND BEN WOULD COME IN. AND HE HAPPENED TO BE IN THE OFFICE WHEN V WAS TRYING OUT THE NEW PRINGLES HUNGER HAMMER.

>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS NOT A REAL PRODUCT. THIS IS REALLY JUST LIKE A PR THING. >> SURE! >> EXCEPT FOR RAZOR CEO WAS ALSO LIKE LET'S MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO WHO KNOWS MAYBE RAZOR'S IN THE WORKS. RAZOR'S GOING TO MAKE EVERYTHING HAPPEN.

ARE WE GOOD TO GO? I DON'T WANT TO WASTE TOO MUCH OF OUR VIEWERS' TIME. >> WE'RE READY TO RECORD ANY TIME. DO WE NEED TO SYNC, BEN? >> NO. I HAVE A TIMER GOING ALREADY. YOU CAN START WHEN YOU'RE READY.

AND I THINK WE'RE STARTING WITH NVIDIA. IS THAT RIGHT? >> WHAT'S UP, CHERLYNN? >> I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT'S WATCHING THAT WHILE WE'RE DOING THE PROPER RECORDING OF THE SHOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TALK DIRECTLY TO YOU LIKE WE'RE DOING NOW. BUT IN BETWEEN SEGMENTS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO PAUSE AND TAKE SOME QUESTIONS. >> SO GET THOSE READY. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE RECORDING THE SHOW OUT OF ORDER BECAUSE CHRIS VELAZCO WON'T BE ABLE TO JOIN US UNTIL 11:00.

SO, WE WILL -- IT'S GOING TO BE IN A DIFFERENT ORDER IN THE FINAL SHOW. BUT YOU'LL GET TO SEE A LOT OF FUN STUFF. >> I WILL STAY STAY TUNED TILL THE END BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE GALAXY SAMSUNG GALAXY Z FOLD 2. HE'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS LIVE. BUT WE WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS NEAR THE END AROUND 11, 11:30.

>> WE ARE GOING TO START WITH THE NVIDIA NEWS. WE'LL JUST DO EVERYTHING ELSE. >>> WHAT'S UP, INTERNET, AND WELCOME BACK TO THE ENGADGET PODCAST. I'M SENIOR ED TOWARD DEVINDRA HARDAWAR. >> I'M REVIEWS EDITOR CHERLYNN LOW.

>> AND THIS WEEK WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE GALAXY Z FOLD 2 WITH OUR MOBILE EDITOR CHRIS VELAZCO. IT'S BEEN A VERY BUSY WEEK. THERE'S NEWS FROM NVIDIA AND INTEL, NEW HARDWARE FROM EVERYBODY. I IF OF COURSE A IS GOING ON. THERE'S SO MUCH STUFF, SO MUCH NEWS.

I AM VERY TIRED. CHERLYNN, ARE YOU TIRED? >> I AM NOT TIRED BECAUSE I AM DEAD. >> OKAY. SURE. WE'RE EITHER DEAD OR TIRED, YOU KNOW.

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IF YOU JOIN US LIVE ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL, YOU CAN ASK US QUESTIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE USUALLY Q&A SEGMENTS. THAT'S ALWAYS A FUN THING, RIGHT? >> WE LOVE INTERACTING WITH YOU GUYS HONESTLY. WE KNOW A LOT OF YOU ARE REGULAR LISTENERS SO WE APPRECIATE THE SHERPOT -- THE SUPPORT. IT'S TOO EARLY IN THE MORNING! >> WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE SHERPORT. THAT IS INTRO.

WE'LL GO STRAIGHT INTO THE VIDEO. SO THIS WEEK WAS A PRETTY BIG NEWS WEEK FOR PC GAMER AND PC GAMES IN GENERAL. NVIDIA HAD A BIG EVENT, ACTUALLY LIKE A 30-MINUTE LIVESTREAM, BUT THE NEWS WAS HUGE BECAUSE THEY ANNOUNCED THE NEW RTX 3000 CARDS. THESE ARE THINGS WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR FOR A VERY LONG TIME. IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS SINCE THEY ANNOUNCED THE RTX CARDS.

AND THEY'RE VERY EXCITED -- EXCITING. THIS PROMISES TO BE BOTH FASTER AND MORE EFFICIENT THAN THE LAST GENERATION CARDS. WITH THE FIRST RTX CARDS NVIDIA INTRODUCED REALTIME RAY TRACING TO VIDEO GAMING. WE SAW THIS ADOPTED BY CONTROL AND I BELIEVE BATTLEFIELD, NOT VERY MANY BUT A COUPLE. AND I LOVE CONTROL SO MUCH.

BUT THE THING WE LEARNED IS NO MATTER HOW POWERFUL YOUR CARD WAS, EVEN IF YOU HAD THE $1,200 RTX CONTROL, YOU FLIP ON RTX, AND THAT CARD WILL START TO REALLY CHUG, WHICH WAS KIND OF SAD. NO MATTER HOW THE GAME LOOKS GREAT, BUT RTX REALLY TOOK THOSE CARDS DOWN QUITE A BIT. THE RT 300 CARDS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO BE A HUGE BUMP FOR REALTIME TRACING. I THINK THE MOST INTERESTING ONE IS THE 499 RTX 3070 WHICH NVIDIA SAYS IS FASTER THAN THE 2080 TI. IT'S A $500 CARD THAT IS TECHNICALLY FASTER THAN THEIR OLD $1,200 CARD BECAUSE THAT THING LAUNCHED QUITE A BIT.

THAT'S A HUGE VALUE FOR GAMERS. PEOPLE WHO HAD THE GTX 1000 LINE. THIS IS A GOOD TIME TO UPGRADE. THERE'S ALSO THE 699 RTX 3080, WHICH IS THE NEW, LIKE, TOP OF THE LINE FOR THE MAINSTREAM BUNCH OF CARDS. BUT THE THING THEY REALLY LEFT FOR THE END IS THE RTX 3090, WHICH IS 1499.

THIS CARD IS HUGE. THIS CARD TAKES UP THREE PCI SLOTS. IT'S A BEAST. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A VIDEO CARD THAT LOOKS THIS HUGE. I'VE SEEN PCs THAT ARE MAYBE THE SIZE OF THIS VIDEO CARD.

IT'S A BIG THING. AND WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR IS THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE BETTER FOR RTX. THE NEW ARCHITECTURE HANDLES RTX A LOT MORE EFFICIENTLY WITHOUT HITTING YOUR FRAME RATES AS MUCH. THEY'RE ALSO GOING TO DRAW A LOT MORE POWER TOO. IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT POWER LIMITS PEOPLE COME INTO AS THEY START TO ADOPT THESE THINGS.

I WILL SAY THE RTX 3090 IS PROBABLY A GREAT THING FOR A LOT OF LIKE CREATORS AND NOT JUST GAMERS BUT PEOPLE WHO GAME AND ALSO SHOOT AND EDIT VIDEO. THEY DO A LOT OF STUFF HERE. >> I KNOW ONE OF OUR VIDEO PRODUCERS ON THE STUDIO'S TEAM WAS VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE NVIDIA NEWS. AND ALSO CAN I JUST TALK ABOUT THAT EVENT REALLY QUICKLY? BECAUSE IT HAPPENED I THINK RIGHT AFTER THE GALAXY Z FOLD 2 EVENT. SO THAT WAS A REALLY, REALLY PACKED DAY.

CHRIS VELAZCO AND I HAD BEEN DOING A LIVESTREAM EARLIER THAT DAY SO WE WERE CUTTING INTO NVIDIA'S EVENT TIME. IT WAS HAPPENING OUT OF JENSEN'S AND I FORGET HIS LAST NAME, HIS KITCHEN. >> YEAH. IT WAS IN FRONT OF HIS KITCHEN AND HIS GIANT CHEF'S STOVE. BUT HIS STOVE, WHICH HAS A HUGE VENT HOOD LIKE EVERY RICH PERSON WILL HAVE.

HIS STOVE HAS LIKE MARBLE COLUMNS TO THE SIDES OF THEM. AND REALLY ORNATE THINGS YOU'D FIND IN A MUSEUM JUST SITTING IN HIS KITCHEN. >> YEAH. I HEARD HE HAS A FANTASTIC SPATULA COLLECTION, WHICH IS GREAT. >> HE DOES.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE THE CEO OF NVIDIA AND NOT REALLY KICK BUTT WITH YOUR SPATULA COLLECTION. I WAS ACTUALLY WAITING, BECAUSE THEY WERE SHOWING OFF A LOT OF STUFF RTX COULD DO IN REALTIME. I WAS WAITING FOR HIM TO HIT A BUTTON AND BE LIKE THIS KITCHEN IS RENDERED REALTIME IN RTX. THAT'D BE HILARIOUS. >> THE RETRACING LIKE PROVIDED THE SPECTRUM.

I DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE -- >> REALISTIC RETRACING STUFF, YEAH. WHAT ELSE FROM NVIDIA? THEY SHOWED OFF A BUNCH OF SOFTWARE. THEY SHOWED OFF, YOU KNOW, A BUNCH OF FEATURES SPECIFICALLY THINGS THAT WOULD LIKE HELP YOU CANCEL NOISE AND HELP YOU REMOVE BACKGROUNDS WHICH WILL ALSO BE POWERED BY YOUR RTX CARDS. THEY ARE FIGURING OUT A LOT OF NEW WAYS TO USE THE HARDWARE THEY HAVE. THEY ALSO TALKED ABOUT THIS THING -- I FORGET THE EXACT NAME OF IT, BUT IT IS A DIRECT STORAGE TECHNOLOGY THAT'LL BASICALLY HELP YOU GET THE TEXTURES FROM THE CARD RIGHT TO YOUR SYSTEM WITHOUT WAITING FOR THE DISC SLOWDOWN.

IT BASICALLY MEANS LIKE LOW TIME CAN BE INSTANT, STREAMING BIG OPEN WORLD GAMES COULD BE A LOT FASTER. THIS IS TECHNOLOGY WE'VE BEEN SORT OF HEARING ABOUT ON THE PLAY STATION 5 AND XBOX SERIES X. SO IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE THAT WE'RE STARTING TO HEAR ABOUT IT TOO ON PCs TOO. THIS IS THE FUTURE OF GAMING. AND, YEAH, WE WILL HAVE SOME IMPRESSIONS SOON.

I'M VERY EXCITED MAINLY FOR THE RETRACING. RETRACING LOOKS SO GOOD. LET ME TAKE A STEP HERE. MY HEADSET JUST GAVE ME A BEEP AND IT WAS LIKE, HEY, YOU SHOULD CHARGE ME. SO LET ME JUST FIND -- WHAT YOU UP TO, CHERLYNN? >> LET ME JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE CHATS.

MY STUFF IS FINE, Y'ALL. SO WE GOT JAMES SAYING HE'S GOT THE 2080 TI. PEOPLE ARE SAYING THE 3090 IS STILL $500 CHEAPER THAN A GALAXY FOLD. >> OH, GOD. THAT'S A POINT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY, DEFINITELY MAKE RIGHT HERE.

>> WE WILL TAKE THAT POINT INTO THE POD CAST. THANK YOU. LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE HYPE ABOUT THE CARDS. WE CAN GET SUCH HIGH RES VIRTUAL REALITY IN THE FUTURE. >> I'M GOING TO MAKE A BUNCH OF NOISE BECAUSE I HAVE A STORM OF CABLES.

>> NO WORRIES. GOING BACK THROUGH THE COMMENTS -- >> LET'S RAISE THAT POINT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S REALLY INTERESTING. >> WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE PODCAST NOW. >> WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE INTEL NEWS. WE CAN SAY "SPEAKING OF PC INTERNALS" OR SOMETHING.

FIRE WHEN READY. >> SO, THE BIG TAKEAWAY WITH THESE RTX CARDS, BETTER RETRACING AND BETTER PRICING TOO. FOR 1,500 BUCKS, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY, BUT STILL 500 BUCKS CHEAPER THAN THE GALAXY Z FOLD 2. AND THE TITAN WENT I BELIEVE 5,000 BUCKS. LIKE THOSE THINGS WENT FOR SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS.

THIS IS A HUGE LEAP IN PERFORMANCE. AND IT'S GOING TO BE VAGUELY ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE WHO DO A LOT OF VIDEO EDITING AND CONTENT CREATION. WHAT GOES WELL WITH A GOOD -- HOW ABOUT A BRAND NEW CBU. TECHNICALLY NOT TRUE, BUT INTEL DID TELL US THE FIRST BUNCH OF ITS TIGER LAKE CHIP NEWS. THEY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE ARCHITECTURE.

THIS WEEK THEY SHOWED OFF SOME OF THE ACTUAL MODELS WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET. AND THESE ARE ONLY FOR LAPTOPS RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE DESKTOP CHIPS. SO I GUESS THAT TRANSITION DOESN'T QUITE WORK. BUT THESE CHIPS SEEM VERY EXCITING.

THEY HAVE ALSO COME UP WITH SOME NEW ARCHITECTURE THAT'S SUPER THIN TRANSISTOR CHEMICAL WHICH MEANS THEY CAN HIT HIGHER CLOCK RATES. I THINK THESE CHIPS ARE 1 GIGAHERTZ FASTER THAN THEY WERE BEFORE. >> WHOA, ONE WHOLE GIGAHERTZ? >> I THINK BEFORE THEY KIND OF MAXED OUT AROUND 4 WITH SOME OF THEM. BUT WE'RE SEEING NOW LIKE 4.5 GIGAHERTZ. THESE TIGER LAKE CHIPS ARE FOR THEIR ULTRA THINS, ULTRA PORTABLES.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE IN THE LOWER POWER THERMAL PROFILES. BUT THEY SEEM PRETTY EXCITING. THEY SEEM FAST. AND THE NEW INTEL XE GRAPHICS ARE GOING TO BE A HUGE LEAP AHEAD OF THE GRAPHICS WE SAW LAST YEAR. THEY WERE SHOWING OFF THINGS LIKE GEARS TACTICS.

THEY WERE GETTING NEAR 55 FPS, WHEREAS AMDs, MOST RECENT CPU/GPU, THAT RISE IN COMBO WAS GETTING AROUND 30 FPS. THEY'RE DOING PRETTY WELL. SO I'M EXCITED. YEAH, NOT AT&T, AMD, NOT AT&T. GOD.

I AM SO TIRED. THEY'RE REALLY BRINGING THE FIGHT, WHICH IS REALLY COOL. AND THE OTHER THING TOO IS INTEL ANNOUNCED INTEL EVO WHICH IS THEIR NEW SECOND GENERATION BRANDING. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A STICKER YOU'LL BE SEEING ON SYSTEMS THIS FALL AND INTO NEXT YEAR. AND THESE DESCRIBE SYSTEMS THAT REALLY JUST HIT ALL THEIR PERFORMANCE BENCHMARKS FOR 11th GEN BEGINS.

THEY'LL WAKE FROM SLEEP WITHIN A SECOND. THEY WILL FAST CHARGE UP TO FOUR HOURS WITHIN 30 MINUTES. THEY'LL HAVE NINE HOURS OF REAL WORLD BATTERY LIFE IN 1080P. IT'S A REALLY EASY WAY TO FIGURE OUT WHICH SYSTEMS ARE GOOD, WHICH SYSTEMS HAVE THE BEST TECHNOLOGY, AND THE THING ABOUT PROJECT ATHENA, WE DIDN'T REALLY -- THEY NEVER LABELED THEM. THAT WAS A THING THEY TALKED ABOUT WITH US WITH THE MEDIA.

BUT I DON'T THINK CONSUMERS EVER LEARNED WHAT PROJECT ATHENA WAS, RIGHT, CHERLYNN? >> JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S USING THE NAME PROJECT, IT DOES SEEM VERY UNCERTAIN OR NOT CONFIRMED. THE WAY I READ THE EVO NEWS WAS JUST LIKE THIS IS OUR OFFICIAL BRANDING FOR ATHENA, AND MOVING FORWARD YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE WORD EVO. AND FOR THOSE WHO ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE ULTRABOOK BRANDING DAYS, THIS IS GOING TO BE A SIMILAR SORT OF QUEUE THAT YOU CAN BUY IT AND IT'LL LAST LONG. >> IT REMINDS ME OF THAT BECAUSE ULTRABOOK WAS A BADGE, ULTRABOOK. AND THEY DESCRIBED A NEW TYPE OF COMPUTER WHICH HONESTLY LOOKED LIKE THE MacBOOK AIR.

BUT NOW THESE INTEL EVO MACHINES ARE GOING TO BE ALL SORTS OF NEW DIFFERENT THINGS. ACUS ANNOUNCED A NEW CONVERTIBLE THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE 8.26 POUNDS. SUPER FAST, VERY LIGHT BUT STILL WITH A DECENT AMOUNT OF PERFORMANCE. I DO FEEL LIKE WE'RE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE THE PCs OF OUR DREAMS, MAYBE A SURFACE-LIKE DEVICE THAT IS ACTUALLY POWERFUL AND CAN DO A LOT MORE. THOSE THINGS ARE BECOMING MORE REALITY WITH THESE CHIPS.

>> I ALREADY FOUND PROJECT ATHENA LAPTOPS SUPER NICE LOOKING. AND THEY'RE VERY LIGHT. IF EVO IMPROVES ON THAT, IT'D BE REALLY IMPRESSIVE. I THINK IF EVO JUST CONTINUES WHAT IT'S BEEN DOING, I WOULD BE SATISFIED. MOST OF THEM LAST LONG ENOUGH.

MOST OF THEM, AGAIN, THE DESIGNS ARE GREAT, PERFORMANCE IS DECENT, PRETTY RELIABLE. I THINK THIS IS GOOD NEWS FOR CONSUMERS OVERALL. >> DEFINITELY. >> I WANTED TO ASK YOU REALLY QUICK ON INTEL XE GRAPHICS. YOU SAY IT CAN HIT 55.

>> XE IS TECHNICALLY DELETE TECH THAT'S BUNDLED INTEGRATED DIRECTLY ALONGSIDE THE GPU, SIMILAR TO HOW AMDs ARE GRAPHICS, PROCESSORS RIGHT NEXT TO THE CPU. PRETTY MUCH ON DI. THE INTEL HD GRAPHICS ARE LIKE BASIC, BASIC INTEGRATED STUFF IS STILL AROUND FOR SOME OF THE CHEAPER CHIPS BECAUSE SOME COMPANIES MAY PUT A TIGER LAKE CHIP WITH AN NVIDIA GPU OR EVEN AN AMD -- LIKE THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS OF CONFIGURING THESE THINGS. BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY HAVE THE CHOICE, THE WHAT KIND OF TAKINGER LAKE CHIP THEY CAN BE DOING. AND SPEAKING OF XE, I THINK WE DID LEARN EARLIER THIS YEAR TOO THAT XC TECHNOLOGY IS MOVING FORWARD INTO OTHER STUFF TOO.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A DEDICATED VIDEO CARD NEXT YEAR THAT YOU WILL PLUG INTO PCI SLOT AND WILL EVENTUALLY COMPETE WITH AMD AND NVIDIA STUFF. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THAT. IT'S VERY EXCITING TO BE A PC GAMER AND A PC ENTHUSIAST RIGHT NOW BECAUSE INTEL'S GOING INTO UNCHARTED TERRITORY. NORMALLY AMD HAS DONE THE GREAT JOB OF DOING GRAPHICS POWER IN A SINGLE PACKAGE. THERE'S A LOT WE DON'T KNOW.

I'M SURE AMD IS IN A CORNER JUST LIKE -- I WOULD SAY LIKE BIDING ITS TIME. I'M SURE THEY HAVE SOME MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENTS COMING. THE 4000 SERIES LAPTOP TIPS WERE PRETTY FANTASTIC. AND WE DIDN'T SEE ENOUGH OF THEM ACTUALLY HIT MACHINES. I REVIEWED THE ROG G14, AND THAT MACHINE IS FANTASTIC.

SO FAST, AFFORDABLE. AND IT WAS NAMED A PROCESSOR TOGETHER WITH NVIDIA GRAPHICS. STILL MY FAVORITE GAMING LAPTOP OF THE YEAR. SO COMPETITION IS GOOD. THIS IS THE WHOLE POINT.

>> I WAS GOING TO SAY EXACTLY THE COMPETITION OF THESE CHIPMAKERS IS HEATING UP. I THINK INTEL HAS FELT THAT IT'S NEEDING TO KEEP UP FOR A BIT NOW. SO I'M GLAD THEY'RE STEPPING UP. >> FOR SURE. AND, LISTEN, LIKE, INTEL CERTAINLY DESERVES CRITICISM FOR ITS DELAYS.

I THINK THEY HAD JUST RECENTLY ANNOUNCED THEY'RE NOT HAVING ANY 7-N ANOMETER CHIPS PROBABLY NOT UNTIL 2022. BUT WHAT THEY ARE SHOWING IS THAT THEY HAVE A MASTERY OF THEIR DESIGN IN THEIR FABRICATION. THEY WERE ABLE TO EEK OUT PERFORMANCE THAT THEY WERE USING LAST YEAR. THE PERFORMANCE MATTERS AT THE END MORE THAN WHAT THE MICRONS OF YOUR CHIP ARCHITECTURE, IF THEY CAN GET GOOD PERFORMANCE OUT OF TEN, THAT'S STILL GOOD FOR CONSUMERS. I'M DOWN WITH THAT.

ARE YOU EXCITED BY ANY OF THIS, CHERLYNN? BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD OF SOME OF THESE INTEL LAPTOPS. >> DEFINITELY EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THE POWER IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE FOR THE LAPTOPS. BUT WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL THESE START ROLLING OUT. IF YOU HAVE ANY FEELS, THIS IS A PRETTY NERDY TOPIC, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY DEEP THOUGHTS ABOUT NVIDIA VERSUS THE INTEL CHIPS SEND US AN EMAIL. >> COOL.

>> I THINK WE CAN TAKE SOME QUESTIONS. >> MARK WANTED TO KNOW WHAT YOUR FAVORITE GAMING LAPTOP WAY THE. >> THAT WOULD BE THE ROG 14. I GAVE IT LIKE A 90 OR ABOVE. THAT'S THE ONE I RECOMMEND TO ANYBODY NOW.

OUR GAMING LAPTOP GUIDE JUST WENT OUT. SO GO READ THAT. I HAVE A LOT OF TIPS ABOUT HOW TO BUY A GAMING LAPTOP. AND THE ROG IS A THING I PUSH FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. >> YOU WERE WORKING ON THAT FOR THE LAST LIKE SEVERAL WEEKS, RIGHT? >> YEAH.

>> THE RTX 3090 IS THE ONE THAT TAKES UP THREE SLOTS THAT IS 500 WATTS. THAT'S NOT MEANT TO BE INSIDE A LAPTOP, IS IT? >> NO, CHERLYNN, NO. WHAT? NO! >> THAT'S A QUESTION FROM A YOUTUBER. >> I LIKE TO YELL AT YOU. BUT I'M YELLING AT YOU TO YELL AT THE CHAT.

THESE ARE DESKTOP CARDS, PEOPLE. THESE ARE NOT LAPTOP CARDS. WE WILL EVENTUALLY SEE THE LAPTOP CARDS WITH THIS TECHNOLOGY. AND IN THE PAST, NVIDIA HAS SHOWN THE LAPTOP STUFF WITHIN LIKE SIX MONTHS. SO WE'LL GET THERE, BUT LAPTOP STUFF IS FAST.

SO THINK ABOUT THAT. THIS IS A GOOD TIME WHERE PEOPLE START THINKING ABOUT EXTERNAL GPU ENCLOSURES WHICH YOU CAN HOOK UP TO YOUR PC WITH A NOTEBOOK WITH A THUNDERBOLT PORT. MAYBE THAT WILL BE NEXT YEAR BECAUSE YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIT THE 3090 CHIP INTO A LAPTOP, NO MATTER HOW BIG THAT LAPTOP IS. I THINK THOSE WILL PROBABLY TOP OUT AT 3080. >> I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE WE MOVE ON.

CAN YOU GIVE ME LIKE A TWO-MINUTE PRIMER ON HOW A LOT OF THESE GRAPHICS CARD COMPANIES ARE SPLITTING THEIR BUSINESS BETWEEN GAMERS AND, LIKE, VIDEO STUFF THAT THEY STARTED ON AND BITCOIN MINING? >> SO THE BITCOIN STUFF, FROM WHAT WE'VE SEEN, I HAVEN'T LIKE FOLLOWED THIS MARKET TOO CLOSELY. BUT THERE WAS A POINT A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHERE THE BITCOIN MINERS WERE BASICALLY EATING UP ALL THE GPU STOCK. THEY WOULD GO TO STORES, BUY ALL THE CARDS, AND THAT MARKET CRASHED AND IT CRASHED HARD BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T ACTUALLY GETTING THAT MUCH RETURNS FROM THEM ANYMORE. I THINK WE'RE WAY PAST THAT. SOME OF THESE COMPANIES HAVE RELEASED LIKE CHEAPER CARDS THAT WILL DO THE NUMBER CRUNCHING YOU'D NEED FROM MINING.

BUT NOBODY'S REALLY DOING THAT ANYMORE BECAUSE THE MONEY ISN'T THERE. BEFORE THE MONEY WAS ACTUALLY THERE TO DO THAT. AND NOW YOUR ELECTRICITY COSTS FOR DOING THAT CRUNCHING WILL OUTWEIGH THE MONEY YOU EARN FROM THE CRUNCHING. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A HUGE THING. WHEN IT COMES TO VIDEO PERFORMANCE, I FEEL LIKE EVERYONE'S JUGGLING.

THEY'RE JUGGLING GAMING PERFORMANCE AND COMPETE PERFORMANCE IN A SINGLE GPU. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN INCREASING OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS. SO, ANY GPU WILL DO -- IF YOU'RE A VIDEO EDITOR, WILL HELP. IF YOU BUY A LAPTOP WITH A DEDICATED GPU, YOU WILL GET SOME SPEEDUP WITH RENDERING TIMES. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE AIM FOR.

SO THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE R ROG G14. BUT THAT $1,500 3090, I CAN ONLY IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR VIDEO PRODUCERS, CHRIS, HE IS CHOMPING AT THE BIT TO GET INTO THIS CARD. BECAUSE HE'S A GAMER BUT ALSO HE'S PRODUCING VIDEO FOR US IN ENGADGET. AND I THINK ANYBODY WHOSE LIFE RESOLVES AROUND CHUGGING THROUGH TONS OF DATA AND DOING A LOT OF RENDERING AND COMPUTING 3D RENDERERS, EVEN PEOPLE WHO USE AUDIO WILL BE ABLE TO USE THIS STUFF IN FASCINATING WAYS. IT'S STILL GAMING FOCUSED.

BUT I THINK A LOT MORE COMPANIES ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO HOW PEOPLE USE COMPUTE RENDERING WITH GPUs. >> PETER SAID THEY NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET CONNECTIVITY IN THE UP CHIPS. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT? >> THAT'S CHERLYNN. >> 100% INTEL IS BEHIND ON ITS CONNECTIVITY. INTEL'S STILL WORKING ON ITS ATOM RADIOS.

SO GOOD LUCK. KEEP TRYING. I'VE HEARD OR SEEN OF PCMAKERS CONSIDERING COMBINING INTEL POWER WITH SNAP DRAGON. RADIOS POSSIBLY. BUT INSTEAD OF THAT PARTNERSHIP ACTUALLY WHAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HAPPENING IS IT'S TEAMING UP WITH MEDIA TECH TO TRY TO WORK ON 5G PC TECH.

IT ISN'T THE MOST -- THAT IS NOT EVERYONE'S FAVORITE WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE CHIP SETS. SO WE'LL SEE. I KNOW THAT I KEEP TRYING TO COVER MEDIA TECH NEWS. BUT OUR NEWS TEAM'S ALWAYS LIKE THIS IS TOO INCREMENTAL. I THINK IT'S A GOOD COMPETITOR TO QUALCOMM.

BUT IN TERMS OF DELIVERING HIGH-END STUFF, MEDIA TECH'S REALLY STRUGGLED. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE WHAT PARTNERING WITH INTEL DOES FOR THEM. BUT INTEL DOES NEED TO STEP UP ITS OWN WORK. >> THEY SOLD THEIR MODEM BUSINESS. THEIR CELLULAR MODEM BUSINESS A FEW YEARS AGO, THAT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE.

THEY HAVE TO PARTNER WITH PEOPLE NOW. ANOTHER CODE NAME I WILL JUST THROW AT YOU GUYS IS LAKE FIELD, WHICH THEY ANNOUNCED BACK IN JUNE. AND THIS IS THEIR NEWER HYBRID CHIP THAT COMBINES A NORMAL CORE CORE AND AN ATOM CORE. THE SO THEY'LL HAVE LIKE A HIGHER-POWERED CORE AND A LOWER-POWERED CORE. AND I FEEL THAT WILL BE USEFUL FOR THEM TO PAIR 5G OR LTE IN THE FUTURE.

IT'S GOING TO BE A SEPARATE THING. BUT THOSE ARE LAPTOPS WHERE I REALLY EXPECT TO SEE LTE AND 5G KIND OF TAKE OFF. EVEN THESE EVO DEVICES. WE'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF THIS. DIDN'T SAMSUNG ANNOUNCE A 5G FLEX THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE AND MORE THE THIS NG.

>> THERE'S ALSO THE LENOVO FLEX 5G. >> OH, MY GOD, LET'S JUST DO IFA. >> WE CAN MOVE ON. MAYBE I MISHEARD THEN. >> IT'S OKAY.

WE CAN DO IT IN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE DO MENTION THE SAMSUNG GALAXY FLEX. I WILL SAY THAT ONE USES 11th GENK N INTEL CHIPS. SO THAT'S VERY INTERESTING. BUT THAT'S A VERY GOOD POINT, PETER, ABOUT INTEL HAVING TO STEP UP ITS LTE BUSINESS SIDE OF THINGS. JAMES ANDERSON ALSO HAD A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE FOLDS.

$500 LESS THAN THE FOLD. BUT HE WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY THAT HE WOULD USE THE FOLD MORE OFTEN THAN HE WOULD USE AN RTX 3090. >> YOU BUY THOSE THINGS BASED ON WHAT YOU NEED. I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY INSANE GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT 3090 COULD DO VERSUS A TWIDDLY FOLDING PHONE WHICH IS NICE TO HAVE. >> EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN TASE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THAT FULL DUO SOON ENOUGH. BUT NOW WE GOT TO GET BACK TO RECORDING THE PODCAST, Y'ALL. >> DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO PRONOUNCE IFA? >> I WAS SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD JUST TRY TO PRONOUNCE IT AT THE BEGINNING. >> LET'S MOVE ONTO NEWS FROM IFA, WHICH IS THE ANNUAL TECHNOLOGY FESTIVAL IN BERLIN. WHAT DOES IT STAND FOR? IT IS THE INTERNATIONAL -- MY FRIEND IS FLUENT IN GERMAN.

>> AS THIS YEAR HAS GONE ON, ALL THE LIKE GOOGLE, REMEMBER WHERE YOU WERE TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO? REMEMBER WHERE YOU WERE IN ANOTHER PLACE NOT TRAPPED AT HOME IN A FUNCTIONING SOCIETY? DON'T FORGET ABOUT THIS. THANKS, GOOGLE. BUT NOW IS THE TIME FOR IFA. IFA IS A HUGE, HUGE TECHNOLOGY SHOW AND ACTUALLY BIGGER THAN CS, I BELIEVE. IT'S WHERE A LOT OF EUROPEAN AND ASIAN COMPANIES KIND OF COME TOGETHER AND SHOW US NEW STUFF.

EVEN THIS YEAR IT'S HAPPENING VIRTUALLY, ALTHOUGH THERE'S SOME IN-PERSON STUFF. WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SEEING, CHERLYNN? >> THERE'S A LOT OF IFA NEWS COMING OUT THIS WEEK WHICH KIND OF BOGGLES MY MIND. BUT FOR ALL OF THE UPDATES ON ALL OF THE IFA NEWS THIS YEAR, YOU CAN GO TO ENGADGET. COM AND SLASH TAG SLASH IFA. BUT COMPANIES LIKE QUALCOMM, SAMSUNG, LENOVO HAVE NEW PRODUCTS TO SHOW OFF.

I'LL START WITH TCL BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY CAME OUT WITH NEW DISPLAY TECHNOLOGY, WHICH WHENEVER THERE'S A TYPE OF NEW THING, I'M ALWAYS MOST INTRIGUED BY IT. AND THEY'VE MADE A NAME FOR AFFORDABLE THINGS, AFFORDABLE PHONES, AFFORDABLE TABLETS. >> THEY'RE THE WORLD'S BIGGEST TV MANUFACTURER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF THIS. >> AND I THINK MAYBE BEEN ABLE TO GET THAT NAME BY MAKING THEIR SET SO GOOD FOR SUCH A GOOD VALUE PRICE. SO THIS THING THAT THEY ANNOUNCED THIS IFA IS CALLED TCL'S NEXT PAPER.

AND IT BASICALLY IS A SORT OF SCREEN TECHNOLOGY THAT'S SIMILAR TO E INC. OR E PAPER TECHNOLOGIES. AND WHAT IS ACTUALLY INTERESTING ABOUT IT IS THAT IT CAN SUPPORT HIGH RESOLUTIONS AS WELL AS SUPPORT VIDEO PLAYBACK. THEY HAVEN'T SHARED LIKE SPECIFICS ON A FRAME RATE THAT THEY CAN SUPPORT. BUT CONSIDERING THAT TYPICAL E INC.

DISPLAYS CAN ONLY REFRESH REALLY SLOWLY, THIS IS REALLY INTERESTING. >> AND COLOR E INC. HAS BEEN LIKE A DREAM THEY'VE BEEN CHASING FOREVER. AND IT'S JUST NOT HAPPENING. >> THEY PROMISED COLORS.

SO IT'D BE LIKE MAGAZINE PAPER. SO THE BIG BENEFIT OF THIS FOR WHAT TCL IS SAYING IS THAT THEY'VE ALSO FILED 11 DIFFERENT PATENTS FOR EYE PROTECTION. THEY'VE BEEN CERTIFIED TO SOME GERMAN LIKE STANDARDS FACILITIES. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN ACTION IS THE PROBLEM. LIKE, I'VE ONLY SEEN A PICTURE OF IT.

AND PICTURES ARE VERY MISLEADING SO I DON'T LIKE TO JUDGE OFF OF JUST PICTURES. BUT THE IDEA IS THAT IT REDUCES LIGHT OUTPUT ON THE SCREEN. IT REDUCES BLUE LIGHT AND FLICKER. AND IT'S MEANT FOR LIKE TCL'S NOT TRYING TO PUT THIS ON A SMARTPHONE. THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE TABLETS AND E READERS WITH THIS THING.

AND THEY ARE SAYING IT'S LIKE 65% MORE BATTERY EFFICIENT THAN A TYPICAL LCD. >> IS IT FLEXIBLE AT ALL? OR IS THIS JUST LIKE A FLAT THING? >> IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FLEXIBLE. >> I'M THINKING FLEXIBLE PAPER. BUT OKAY. >> I DIDN'T THINK OF IT THAT WAY.

I DON'T KNOW. THEY DIDN'T SAY IT WAS FLEXIBLE. >> THIS IS LCD, BASED. >> THEY'RE ALSO SAYING IT'S LIKE A THIRD THE SIZE OF A TRADITIONAL LCD. SO MUCH THINNER THAT YOU CAN EXPECT AN EREADER TO BE A LOT THINNER THAN LIKE YOUR KINDLE WHICH ARE ALREADY PRETTY THIN.

BUT THAT WAS INTERESTING. TCL ALSO HAD A BUNCH OF, SPEAKING OF TABLETS, THEY HAD A BUNCH OF OTHER NEWS. A TAD MIX AND A TAB MAX. ANDROID TABLETS FOR CHEAP. YOU CAN ALSO GET THE GALAXY TAB A SOMETHING.

BUT IF YOU WANT SOMETHING CHEAPER THAT IS NOT BAD AT ALL, THE TCL TABLETS CAN BE FOR YOU. THEY ALSO ANNOUNCED TRUE WIRELESS EAR BUDS. THEY SEEM REALLY FRICKEN CHEAP. >> IF YOU GO TO AMAZON NOW, YOU WILL FIND ANCHOR TRUE WIRELESS FOR 50 BUCKS, SOMETIMES EVEN LESS. HEY, IT'S CHEAP, IT'S OUT THERE.

>> SO THESE ARE 99 EUROS. THEY ARE SAYING IT'S GOING TO FIT MORE COMFORTABLY IN YOUR EAR. THEY HAVE ELECTRONIC NOISE-CANCELLING, WHICH OKAY. AND THEIR I P54. SO YOU CAN SORT OF WEAR THEM JOGGING.

ANOTHER OPTION FOR YOU ALL. AND, YEAH, SOME OTHER NEWS LIKE A WEARABLE FOR SENIORS. EVERY COMPANY HAS ITS OWN BIG DUMP. >> THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO DESCRIBE IT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WAS HAPPENING ALL WEEK, VOMITING NEWS. AND INTEL DID IT PRETTY QUICKLY TOO.

AND ALL THIS IFA STUFF FEELS LIKE IT KEPT COMING AT US. YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT QUALCOMM. THEY'RE YOUR BFFs. COME ON. >> YO, IT'S ONE THING TO LIKE THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE.

AND ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY DO A LOT FOR THE MOBILE INDUSTRY. I JUST COVER THEM A LOT. I KNOW THEY'RE WORKING -- QUALCOMM ALSO HAD SOMEWHAT OF A NEWS DUMP FOR IFA, WHICH I REALLY ENJOYED TACKLING ALL THIS IFA NEWS WHILE TWO MAJOR SHOWS ARE GOING ON. BUT, YES. SO QUALCOMM ANNOUNCED -- LET'S GET THROUGH THE LIKE ARRESTING STUFF FIRST.

THERE ARE SOME AUDIO UPDATES. THERE ARE SOME NEW UPDATES TO ACOUSTIC AUDIO PROCESSOR TECHNOLOGY THAT IMPROVES ITS NOISE CANCELATION AND ECHO CANCELATION FEATURES. YOU CAN READ THE DETAILS ON ENGADGET. COM. I LEFT THAT TO OUR AUDIO EXPERT TO TAKE CARE OF, SO I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS THERE.

THEY'VE ALSO ANNOUNCED SNAP DRAGON 400 SERIES CHIP SET WHICH IS ENTRY-LEVEL CHIP SET BUT WITH 5G SUPPORT. SO THAT DOES MEAN THAT WE CAN EXPECT EVEN CHEAPER PHONES WITH 5G. BUT WHAT I TACKLED ALL THE QUALCOMM STUFF IS THE SNAP DRAGON GEN 2. VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD NAMING. THIS IS THE FALL UP TO 2018, WHICH WAS THE ARM-BASED PROCESSOR THAT QUALCOMM MADE FOR PCs.

SO THIS WOULD BE WINDOWS ON SNAP DRAGON. AND AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT ON THIS PODCAST BEFORE, WINDOWS ON SNAP DRAGON, OH, BOY. BUT THEY'RE TRYING AGAIN. AND WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT WINDOWS ON SNAP DRAGON FOR ME IS -- OR ABOUT THE GEN 2 HCX IS WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT ACTUAL POWER IMPROVEMENTS, THERE'S NONE. THERE'S NO CLOCK SPEED JUMPS.

THERE'S NO INCREASED RAM. >> THAT'S PRETTY BOLD. WHAT HAVE YOU GUYS CHANGED THIS YEAR? NOTHING. DEAL WITH IT. >> I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME MAKING SENSE OF THE PRESS RELEASE BECAUSE IT'S, LIKE, BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT CALL OUT PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENTS AT ALL.

>> IT'S THE SAME MODEL NUMBER AS BEFORE. IT'S THE 8CX. IT'S JUST THE 8CX GEN2. >> IT HAS BETTER AI SUPPORT. IT WILL OFFER FASTER PROCESSING, THERE IS THIS EYE CONTACT FEATURE ON THE SURFACE PRO X WHERE THE WEB CAN SEE, YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE CAMERA ITSELF.

SO IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE MAKING EYE CONTACT DURING YOUR VIDEO CONFERENCE AND THEN ALERT YOU TO LOOK UP. BUT THERE IS ALSO TWO MORE THINGS THAT IT ENABLES WHICH IS CALLED LUM. AI. THEY'VE PARTNERED UP TO DO THIS AVATAR REPLACEMENT THING IN REAL THING. IF YOU'RE SUPER BURNT OUT AND YOU HAVE AN OUTBREAK OF HIVES AND YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE YOUR REAL PERSON APPEAR, YOU CAN REPLACE YOURSELF WITH AN AVATAR.

>> THIS IS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME UNTIL THIS HAPPENS. >> WE'RE FULLY REPLACED WITH AVATARS NOW. I SAW A QUICK DEMO PRERECORDED OF THIS PERSON, THE QUALCOMM PRESIDENT. HE MADE FACIAL EXPRESSIONS AND AN AVATAR MATCHED HIS EXPRESSIONS PERFECTLY. IT'S FUNNY.

IT'S NOT INCREDIBLY USEFUL. >> THAT DOES NOT MATCH THE TERRIFYING THING I REMEMBER SEEING AT THE OCULUS CONNECT EVENT LAST YEAR, WHICH WAS PEOPLE WEARING OCULUS HEADSETS, AND THEY HAD 3D MAPPED THOSE PEOPLE'S FACES. SO WE WERE LOOKING AT 3D MODELS OF THEIR FACES BEING PERFECTLY CAPTURED WHILE THEY WERE WEARING HEADSETS. WE ARE GETTING INTO SOME WEIRD, WILD SPACES WHEN IT COMES TO DIGITAL AVATARS. >> I CAN'T WAIT.

QUALCOMM HAS TEAMED UP WITH A SECURITY FIRM THAT DETECTS THREATS SEVEN TIMES FASTER THAN EXISTING SYSTEMS. THAT'S GOOD NEWS BECAUSE THEY REALLY WANT THESE PCs TO REALLY BE ENTERPRISE MACHINES TOO. SO THAT'S SOME OF THE AI UPDATES. THERE'S ALSO SUPPORT FOR WIFI 6, BLUETOOTH 5.5 UP FROM THE PREVIOUS GENERATION, WHICH IS NICE. QUALCOMM IS POSITIONING THIS AS TAKING ON THE LIKES OF AN INTEL CORE i5.

AND THEY KEEP CALLING OUT PERFORMANCE IMPROVEMENTS OVER THOSE SYSTEMS. THEY ARE LIKE, OH, WE'RE 18% MORE PERFORMANT. AND I'M, LIKE, OKAY, BUT TELL ME HOW MUCH BETTER THAN LAST YEAR AND THEY CAN'T SAY IT. SO, SNAPDRAGON'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE SOON. BUT WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME IS THAT MICROSOFT'S CHIEF OFFICER ALSO MADE AN APPEARANCE ON QUALCOMM'S BRIEFING VIDEO BECAUSE HE WASN'T DONE MAKING APPEARANCES.

IN THIS VIDEO, CRISTIANO WAS LIKE, OH, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE LAUNCH OF YOUR SUPER FASCINATING SURFACE DUO. >> BY QUALCOMM HARDWARE. >> EXACTLY. AND THEN HE WAS LIKE, YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THE COLLABORATION. AND THEN HE TRIES TO SEGWAY.

AND HE GOES I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE DUO. BUT I'M EVEN MORE PASSIONATE ABOUT SNAP DRAGON PCs. AND I'M LIKE ARE YOU? >> IF HE WAS, THE ARM WOULD BE A LOT BETTER. >> MICROSOFT OR PANOS ON THAT BRIEFING ANNOUNCED THAT MICROSOFT IS GOING TO MOVE THE APP AZURE PROGRAM OVER TO SNAP DRAGON PCs FOR THEIR SNAP DRAGON CUSTOMERS. SO APP AZURE IS SOMETHING MICROSOFT LAUNCHED AROUND 2018 I THINK OR 2016 TO HELP MOVE APPS FROM WINDOWS 7 TO WINDOWS 10.

AND APP COMPATIBILITY IS ALWAYS A HUGELY IMPORTANT ISSUE BECAUSE THEY WERE RETIRING SUPPORT FOR WINDOWS 7. THEY PROMISED THAT YOU CAN WORK WITH A MICROSOFT ENGINEER TO RESOLVE ANY APP COMPATIBILITY ISSUES UNTIL IT IS RESOLVED. THEY ARE GOING TO BE WITH YOU UNTIL YOU CAN GET -- >> THIS COULD TECHNICALLY SOLVE THE GREATEST PROBLEM WE'VE HAD WITH EVERY WINDOWS DEVICE, WHICH IS THAT THE APPS JUST DON'T WORK. A LOT OF THINGS ARE RUNNING IN EITHER EMULATION OR DON'T RUN AT ALL. IT'S TYPICALLY A BAD EXPERIENCE.

THIS COULD BE PRETTY COOL. I FEEL LIKE AS WE TALK ABOUT APP AZURE, I CAN FEEL OUR LISTENERS FALLING ASLEEP. WHAT IS YOUR BIG TAKEAWAY? I BROUGHT THIS UP TO PEOPLE BEFORE. NOBODY'S SUPER INTERESTED. >> I WILL SAY THAT WINDOWS AND SNAP HAVE BEEN VERY, LIKE, HAVE HAD A TROUBLED HISTORY, I GUESS.

AND MAYBE THIS WILL HELP. GENK N 2 IS THAT MICROSOFT IS GOING TO SUPPORT -- >> WE'LL SEE BECAUSE WE BOTH TESTED THE SURFACE PRO X, THE SUPER THIN, SUPER WELL-DESIGNED SURFACE THAT HAD GREAT HARDWARE BUT APPARENTLY CRAPS OUR SOFTWARE SUPPORT. I WOULD LOVE FOR DEVICES LIKE THAT TO BE MORE REALISTIC. WHAT HAVE YOU HEARD FROM SAMSUNG? >> I WANT TO CRY BECAUSE SAMSUNG HAD ITS Z FOLD 2 EVENT ON TUESDAY. AND THEN THEY HAD A LIFE UNSTOPPABLE EVENT YESTERDAY FOR IFA NEWS.

AND WE KNOW SAMSUNG IS A GIANT CONGLOMERATE THAT MAKES REFRIGERATORS AND TVs AND EVERYTHING. SO THE LIVE UNSTOPPABLE EVENT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MOSTLY HOME ENTERTAINMENT FOCUSED. BUT SAMSUNG, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WAS LIKE, NO, HERE'S SOME MORE GADGETS FROM THE MOBILE SITE. SO IT ANNOUNCED ALSO THE GALAXY FIT 2. FIT 2, AND AN AFFORDABLE 5G PHONE.

A FWLAXY TAB A 7. A GALAXY BOOK FLEX WITH 5G. THAT'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT YOU CAN GO AND LOOK AT ENGADGET. COM. >> AND I BELIEVE THAT'S AN INTEL EVO DEVICE.

THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE. >> YEAH. ALL OF THOSE ARE INTERESTING PRODUCTS. AND THE MAIN TAKEAWAY FOR ME ABOUT SAMSUNG'S NEWS IS THAT IN A WEEK WHERE THEY LAUNCHED SOMETHING THAT'S A $2,000 PHONE, THEY ALSO, YOU KNOW, RELEASED A BUNCH OF THINGS IN THE A SERIES, WHICH IS THEIR EVERYTHING BUT THE FLAGSHIP SERIES. SO THE GALAXY A 425G, WE REACHED OUT TO SAMSUNG FOR PRICING, BUT THEY HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING.

AND THEY ARE CALLING THIS THEIR CHEAPEST PRODUCT YET. S SAMSUNG'S PHONES ARE STILL REALLY GOOD, SO THAT'S EXCITING. THE I THINK THE TAB A7, BEING A CHEAPER ANDROID TABLET COMPARED TO THE TAB S7 PLUS IS BETTER THAN A FIRE HD. I LIKE THAT SAMSUNG IS LIKE WE DID A $2,000 PHONE, BUT HERE IS SOMETHING THAT MIGHT COST A LOT LESS. >> THAT'S BEEN THEIR THING FOR A WHILE BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE OF THE LAST ANDROID COMPANIES MAKING TABLETS.

THEY HAVE CHEAP PHONES, THEY HAVE CHEAP TABLETS. HEY, THAT'S GOOD, THAT'S SOMETHING. >> I WOULDN'T SAY THEY'RE ONE OF THE LAST COMPANIES MAKING ANDROID TABLETS BECAUSE WHO ELSE ANNOUNCED ANDROID TABLETS? MY DEAR FRIENDS AT LENOVO. FIRST OF ALL, YEAH, THE GALAXY TAB A7 IS SAMSUNG'S AFFORDABLE ANDROID TABLET. AND WE HAVE TCL MAKING ITS TABLET.

LENOVO CAME THROUGH ANNOUNCING MONDAY SOME NEW ANDROID TABLETS AS WELL. WHAT'S INTERESTING HERE IS THAT LENOVO IN THE PAST, THEY'VE BEEN SLIGHTLY CHEAPER. THEY'RE MORE IN THE $500 PRICE RANGE. BUT THIS TIME AROUND THEY'VE GONE FULL LIKE LET'S TAKE ON FRICKEN THE TAB S7 PLUS WITH OUR P 11 PRO. IT WAS MONDAY, IT WAS A LIFETIME AGO.

I CAN'T REMEMBER THE ACTUAL NAME NOW BUT I THINK IT WAS THE P11 PRO. IT'S GOING TO HAVE A KEYBOARD ACCESSORY. IT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT A STYLUS. IT'S A HIGH-END ANDROID TABLET FROM LENOVO AND IT'S COMPETITION FOR SAMSUNG, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DETAILS AGAIN ON ENGADGET.

COM. BUT LENOVO ALSO ANNOUNCED SOMETHING CALLED THE SMART CLOCK ESSENTIALS. >> THAT LOOKS REALLY CUTE. I REALLY LIKE LENOVO'S ACCESSORY THINGS, LIKE THEIR SMART DISPLAY. THEY'RE FUN.

I LIKE THEM. >> I LOVE LENOVO'S SMART HOME PLAY. THEY HAVE A LOT OF AFFORDABLE DEVICES IN THAT SPACE. THE SMART CLOCK FROM LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS AGO WAS REALLY I LIKED IT. I HAVE ONE IN MY BEDROOM.

BUT THE SMART CLOCK ESSENTIALS IS LIKE $20 CHEAPER. SO IT'S $50 SMART CLOCK, AND IT'S BASICALLY A BEDSIDE CLOCK WITH AN ASSISTANT BUILT IN. SO FOR ME INITIALLY WHEN I WAS BEING PITCHED THIS, I WAS LIKE WHY CAN'T I JUST GO TO AMAZON AND BUY A $20 CLOCK? BUT THE WHOLE THING IS THIS CAN A GOOGLE ASSISTANT DEVICE. YOU CAN ASK IT TO TURN ON YOUR LIGHTS AND SET ROUTINES THAT INCLUDE THIS DEVICE. THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TO IT THAN JUST A BEDSIDE CLOCK.

I GUESS IT'S NICE THAT IT'S JUST PRETTY SUPER BASIC IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE THAT $70. >> IT DOESN'T HAVE A CAMERA, IT DOESN'T HAVE A SCREEN PROPERLY. >> AGAIN WITH THE SMART CLOCK SERIES, THERE IS NO CAMERA TO LIKE DIM AT NIGHT TOO. SO IT'S JUST LIKE LESS INTRUSIVE AND LESS, LIKE, GADGET -- >> IT FEELS LIKE WE HAD MASTERED ALARM CLOCK TECHNOLOGY AND THEN WITH ALL THESE SMART DEVICES IT FEELS LIKE WE TOOK WEIRD STEPS ALL OVER THE PLACE. YEAH.

I WOULD TOTALLY BUY ONE OF THESE. I KNOW. I CAN'T WAIT TO GET IN AND SEE IF I LIKE IT BECAUSE I NEED A NEW ONE. AND IT HAS MUCH BIGGER LED FONT TOO SO YOU CAN SEE FROM FURTHER AWAY. BUT THAT'S NOT ALL THE IFA NEWS.

WE STILL HAVE MORE. BUT I'M GOING TO JUST LEAVE YOU GUYS WITH ONE MORE, WHICH IS ZTE. REMEMBER THEM? THEY'RE BACK WITH THE -- WELL, THEY'VE NEVER REALLY FULLY GOING TO WAY. THEY'VE STILL BEEN RELEASING AXON PHONES, WHICH IS THEIR FLAGSHIP LINE. WAY BACK IN THE DAY AXON WAS WELL LOVED.

THEY ANNOUNCED THE AXON 25G. IT'S NOT A NEWISH PHONE. BUT THE ACTION 25G IS THIS YEAR'S ANNOUNCEMENT FOR IFA FROM ZTE. AND THE REALLY BIG THING ABOUT IT, AT LEAST TO ME AND CHRIS VELAZCO IS THAT IT HAS AN UNDERDISPLAY CAMERA, WHICH IS REALLY COOL. WE'VE SEEN OTHER CHINESEMAKERS MAKE THIS ONE BEFORE.

>> DOES THAT MEAN THERE IS NO ACTUAL HOLE IN THE DISPLAY? BECAUSE YOU WOULD STILL NEED SPACE FOR THE CAMERA TO SIT. >> ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T THINK THERE IS AN ACTUAL HOLD. BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. BUT I WOULD CHECK OUT ENGADGET.

COM AGAIN FOR ALL OF THE INFORMATION ON ALL OF THE NEWS. AGAIN, ENGADGET. COM/TAG/IFA2020 IS WHERE YOU CAN GET CAUGHT UP ON ALL OF THIS I IF OF FA NEWS. FOR NOW SEND US YOUR THOUGHTS ON ALL OF THIS IFA NEWS, WHETHER IT'S ON TWITTER OR EMAIL. >> I THINK WE'RE RUNNING LOW ON TIME.

>> SO, LET'S MOVE ON TO WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON. AS YOU CAN SEE, MANY, MANY THINGS THIS WEEK. I WILL SAY UPCOMING IM. TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REVIEW THE LOGITEC CHAIR. IT MAKES MY BACK FEEL GOOD AND MY BUTT DOESN'T HURT ANYMORE.10 OUT OF 10 REVIEW. I'M ALSO TESTING OUT A HOT, UPCOMING GADGET.

THIS IS THE BUSY PERIOD. I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW IS WORKING ON REVIEWS FOR MAJOR UPCOMING DEVICES THAT OUR READERS WILL BE EXCITED ABOUT. I LOVE SEPTEMBER BECAUSE IT'S BUSY BUT IT'S ALSO WHEN THE NEW STUFF STARTS HAPPENING. OCTOBER'S WHEN IT STARTS SHIPPING. AND ALSO I'M STILL GEARING UP FOR NOVEMBER WHEN WE GET THE NEW CONSOLES AND ALL THAT STUFF AND ALSO THE ELECTIONS.

>> OH, GOSH. >> WE HAVE SO MUCH TO LOOK FORWARD TO AND SO MUCH TO BE WORRIED ABOUT. CHERLYNN, WHAT ARE YOU WORKING ON? >> IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT I'VE BEEN SPENDING THIS PODCAST TELLING YOU GUYS ABOUT AND TRYING TO STAY ALIVE, I'M ALSO WORKING ON TWO MAJOR REVIEWS IN THE BACKGROUND. >> I DON'T THINK YOU'RE BUSY ENOUGH, CHERLYNN. IF THERE'S ONE THING I WOULD SAY ABOUT YOU, IT'S THAT YOU JUST DON'T WORK ENOUGH.

>> SHOUT OUT TO OUR REGULAR LISTENER JONATHAN MEDINA WHO TWEETED AND REPLIED TO ONE OF MY TWEETS YESTERDAY SAYING THAT HOW DO YOU GET SO MUCH DONE? YOU GUYS DO LIVE STREAMS, CONVENTIONS, TAKE ALL THESE BRIEFINGS. I'M, LIKE, OH, MY GOSH, SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT'S LIKE. A REVIEW ISN'T JUST WRITING. IT'S TESTING, TAKING PHOTOS, SHOOTING VIDEOS, WRITING SCRIPTS AND WRITING THE REVIEW COPY. IT'S A LOT OF WORK FOR ONE MAJOR REVIEW AND I'M DOING TWO THIS WEEK.

SOMEONE THREW ME ONE OF THOSE FLOAT RING THINGS. WHAT IS IT CALLED? >> LIFE PRESERVER. YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED. >> NO, MY BRAIN'S BROKEN. >> THAT'S THE TITLE OF THE EPISODE.

>> LET'S GO STRAIGHT INTO PICKS THEN. >> AND NOW FOR OUR POP CULTURE PICKS. ONE THING I WANT TO SHOUT OUT NOW IS THAT, HEY, THE LEGEND OF CORA IS BACK ON NETFLIX. IT ACTUALLY NEVER WAS A NETFLIX. NETFLIX IS NOW THE PLACE WHERE ANYBODY CAN GO WITH A HIT OF A BUTTON GO SEE CORA.

THIS IS THE SEQUEL TO AVATAR LAST AIRBENDER. SO GOOD TIMING FOR THEM AND JUST HAVE TO SAY THIS SHOW IS PERFECT. I LOVE IT SO MUCH. IF YOU'RE A FAN OF ANIME, IF YOU LIKE THE LAST AIRBENDER AND MAYBE YOU WANT TO SEE A TWIST ON THAT WORLD THAT'S A LITTLE MORE MATURE WITH OLDER CHARACTERS, IT'S FANTASTIC. SOME OF THE BEST ACTION CHOREOGRAPHY IN ANYTHING BUT CERTAINLY WITH THE ANIMATED SHOWS LIKE THE WAY THEY USE THEIR SPEAR POWERS.

IT SOMETIMES GETS TO BE A LITTLE DRAGON BALL-Z, BUT IT'S ALSO JUST GREAT MARTIAL ARTS. AS AN ACTION FAN I REALLY DIG IT. AND ALSO SOMEBODY WHO LOVES 2D ANIMATION. THIS SHOW HAS DONE SOME INCREDIBLE STUFF. I LOVE THAT IT EXISTS.

I LOVE THAT IT'S SO EASILY ACCESSIBLE NOW. YOU CAN HEAR ME TALK MORE ABOUT IT ON REPUBLIC CITY DISPATCH, WHICH IS A PODCAST I'VE BEEN DOING WITH SOME FRIENDS OF MINE AND PODCAST LUMINARIES LIKE JOANNA ROBINSON AND MATT PATCHES. THAT IS UNDER THE FIGHTING IN THE WAR ROOM DOMAIN NOW. BUT WE'RE DOING SOME RECAP EPISODES OF EVERY INDIVIDUAL SEASON. BUT EIGHT YEARS AGO WE ACTUALLY REVIEWED EVERY SINGLE EPISODE OF THIS SHOW.

SO IT'S SO WEIRD. YOU LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE YOUR EARLY PODCAST BE RELEVANT AGAIN. SO WE'RE KIND OF REVIVING THAT FEED, ADDING SOME NEW RETROSPECTIVES. GO CHECK OUT SOME OF OUR EARLIER REVIEWS TOO. CHERLYNN, I THINK YOU WOULD LOVE IT.

BECAUSE YOU TAKE MARTIAL ARTS. >> I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I WAS SAYING I DON'T REALLY WATCH A LOT OF ANIMATED WORKS. >> MAYBE YOU SHOULD INSTEAD OF BAD SCI FI. >> WOW, WOW. I WILL SHOUT OUT ARCHER IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE ANIMATED SERIES.

>> I LIKE ARCHER, BUT I WILL ALSO SAY BARELY ANIMATED. IT'S THE LIKE STILTED CARTOON NETWORK STYLE OF ANIMATION. WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING? >> BECAUSE I TOOK A BREAK LAST WEEK, I WAS ABLE TO WATCH SOME STUFF. I SPENT LAST WEEK TRYING TO WATCH AS MUCH STUFF AS I COULD TO RECOMMEND FOR THIS PODCAST. I STILL LOVE LOVECRAFT COUNTRY.

>> THE SECOND EPISODE WAS KIND OF A MESS. I FEEL LIKE IT'S GOING ALL OVER THE PLACE. >> I LOVED THE SECOND EPISODE HOW IT JUST KIND OF RAN LIKE A WILD HORSE. >> IT CERTAINLY RAN LIKE A WILD HORSE. >> THE THIRD EPISODE WAS ALSO VERY GOOD.

IT'S A GOOD MIX OF SCIENCE FICTION AND LIKE HOW IT SUCKS TO BE A BLACK PERSON IN THAT ERA. I ALSO WATCHED EARLIER. PROJECT POWER. IT'S ON NETFLIX. AND IT'S BEEN NUMBER ONE ON NETFLIX FOR A WHILE.

I ONLY JUST GOT AROUND TO TELLING Y'ALL ABOUT IT. BASICALLY PEOPLE CAN BE SUPER JUICED UP FOR ABOUT 10, 15 MINUTES. >> IT'S VERY LUCY LIKE. A LOT OF OTHER FILMS HAVE TACKLED THIS IDEA. >> LIMITLESS ALSO HAD THE DRUG WAS BECOMING YOUR SUPER POWER ITSELF.

>> THERE WAS THAT ONE TOO, WHICH IS NOW A TV SERIES. BUT THE PREMISE IS THERE, BUT THE CHARACTERS ARE I THINK VERY -- I LIKE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT ACTORS IN IT AS WELL. I SAW SOME CRITICISM OF THIS SHOW SAYING THAT IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE FULL USE OF THE PREMISE. AND I AGREE. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ROOM FOR A SEQUEL.

SO HOPEFULLY WE GET TO SEE THAT EXPLORED A LITTLE FURTHER. I LIKE THE IDEA THAT DIFFERENT PEOPLE REACT DIFFERENTLY. >> IT'S VERY MUCH A NETFLIX MOVIE. IT REMINDS ME OF, HEY, HERE'S A COOL PREMISE AND WE DON'T SET ANY OF THIS UP REALLY WELL. THE IDEA OF YOU COULD GET ONE SUPER POWER OR YOU COULD DIE.

LIKE, THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES TO IT. THE SPECIAL EFFECTS IN THIS MOVIE ARE REALLY GOOD. LIKE, IT LOOKS FANTASTIC. >> IT DOES LOOK REALLY GOOD. IT'S JUST A GOOD ESCAPE FOR WHEN YOU WANT SOMETHING NOT SUPER THINKY AND YOU JUST WANT TO CHECK OUT PEOPLE LIKE HURLING WEIRD STUFF AT EACH OTHER.

MY REAL RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE I TRY TO FIND STUFF THAT PEOPLE DON'T ALWAYS KNOW OF, THIS WEEK IS A FILM CALLED, IT'S A KOREAN FILM CALLED THE WITCH SUBVERSION. >> PEOPLE ARE LIKE BUZZING ABOUT THIS MOVIE. >> IT'S PART ONE OF WHAT'S MEANT TO BE I THINK A TRILOGY. BUT IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT THE FILMMAKER PLANS TO DO WITH IT YET. IT IS ALSO SCIENCE FICTION.

IT'S KOREAN. AND SIMILAR TO A LOT OF KOREAN FILMS WE TALK ABOUT ON THIS SHOW, IT'S ABOUT SORT OF UNDERDOG-ISH STORY. BUT IT'S ABOUT SORT OF GENETICALLY ENHANCED OR SORT OF LIKE NUTURE VERSUS NATURE TYPE OF SUPER HEROES. IT'S WON A BUNCH OF AWARDS. AND I CAN'T REMEMBER OFFHAND THE NAMES OF EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH THIS MOVIE.

BUT THE ACTING, AS ALWAYS, IS VERY GOOD. THERE ARE SOME TWISTS THAT I WON'T REVEAL FOR YOU. IT'S GOT A LOT OF VERY GOOD ACTION. IT'S GOT VERY ENGAGING PLOT THAT I FOUND MYSELF LIKE STUCK TO THE SCREEN. AND IT'S VERY RARE THAT I AM STUCK ON THE SCREEN THROUGHOUT A SHOW NOWADAYS.

DEVINDRA, YOU SHOULD CHECK THIS ONE OUT. >> IT LOOKS SUPER COOL. DID YOU EVER SEE THE VILLAINIST, BY THE WAY? LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PERHAPS ONE OF THE CRAZIEST ACTION MOVIES OF THE LAST FEW YEARS. GO LOOK UP THE FIRST TEN MINUTES OF "THE VILLAINIST. " IT IS FANTASTIC.

IT IS BOTH THINGS, WHICH IS I DON'T LIKE ONE PART OF IT BUT I LOVE THE ACTION PART OF IT. RECOMMEND THAT TO EVERYBODY TOO. >> YEAH. SO THERE YOU GO. LOTS OF THINGS TO CHECK OUT THIS WEEKEND IF YOU NEED A BREAK.

>> LET ME DO THE WRAP UP. BECAUSE WE HAVE A FEW MINUTES TO DO THAT TOO. SO, FOLKS, WE ARE GOING TO JUST BE CLOSING OUT THE SHOW. BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE RECORDING THE NEXT SEGMENT WITH THE GALAXY Z FOLD 2 AFTER THIS. JUST A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER.

BEAR WITH US. >> IT'S A FALSE END IS WHAT IT IS. >> YEAH. WE'RE ABOUT TO RECORD THE OUTRO, BUT AFTER THAT WE CAN TALK WITH YOU ON THE STREAM. >> ALL RIGHT.

LET'S WIND DOWN. WELL, THAT'S IT FOR THIS WEEK ON THE ENGADGET PODCAST. THANKS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. OUR THEME MUSIC IS BY GAME COMPOSER DALE NORTH. THE PODCAST IS PRODUCED BY BEN ELMANN.

YOU CAN FIND ME ONLINE ON @DEVINDRA. AND, CHERLYNN, WHERE CAN WE FIND YOU? >> IF YOU WANT TO FIND ME WHINING ABOUT HOW MUCH WORK I HAVE TO DO, I AM @CHERLYNNLOW ON TWITTER. >> EMAIL US AT PODCASTENGADGET. COM. >>> WE HAVE GOT SOME TIME TO TALK ABOUT CHAT STUFF, YAY.

THE KOREAN MOVIE NAME IS "THE WITCH: SUBVERSION. " I WONDER IF YOU CAN THROW THAT UP ON THE SCREEN. >> WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT DURING THE PRODUCTION MEETING, I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS WAS LIKE A RECT OR A DIRECTOR'S CUT OF "THE WITCH. " BECAUSE I THOUGHT LIKE, OH, IT'S A SUBVERSION? >> LIKE DIFFERENT NEW ENGLAND HORROR IN KOREA? >> I HOPE THEY MAKE MORE OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY COOL. THE GIRL HAS POWERS.

>> I LIKE THE TRAILER. "THE VILLAINIST," COME ON. ALL THE ACTION SCENES ARE ON YOUTUBE RIGHT NOW. AND THEY ACTUALLY LIFTED A LOT OF THOSE IDEAS INTO JOHN WICK 3, BUT IT KICKS SO MUCH BUTT. >> THEY DID A LOT OF ASIAN VIOLENT FIGHTING FILMS FOR A WHILE.

>> I'VE SEEN THEM ALL. AND THE VILLAINIST WAS ONE WHERE I WAS, LIKE, WHOA, YOU WERE DOING FIRST-PERSON ACTION IN A WAY I'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. IT'S WILD. >> I SEE. >> THE MOTORCYCLES WITH BLADES, IT'S SO FUN.

>> LIKE JUDGING FROM THE TRAILER NOW SINCE I'M LOOKING AT IT, I CAN TELL WHAT THE FILMMAKER'S DOING IS INTERESTING. I APPLAUD. >> HEY. >> BACK TO THE CHAT I'M SEEING SOME PEOPLE, LIKE, ONE PERSON SAID, I WISH ANDROID WOULD PUT MORE EFFORT INTO TABLET APPS AND NOT MAKE THEM JUST A SLOW PHONE APP. >> THAT'S GOOGLE'S FAULT, MAN.

WE NEED TO HAVE A WHOLE EPISODE ABOUT THIS. WHAT'S UP, CHERLYNN? WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I WRESTLE WITH THIS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN COVERING A LOT OF ANDROID TABLETS LATELY. IT'S PARTLY GOOGLE'S FAULT. BUT SOME APPS LIKE INSTAGRAM REFUSE TO UPDATE THEIR APPS TO WORK BETTER. >> IT'S BEEN TEN YEARS SINCE ANDROID TABLETS HAVE BEEN AROUND AND THERE IS NO MARKET FOR THEM.

SO EVERYBODY IS LIKE WHY SHOULD I DO THIS WORK FOR DEVICES THAT DON'T EXIST. >> OR YOU MAKE IT BETTER. IT'S HARD TO -- >> I DON'T THINK IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT TEN YEARS AFTER -- LIKE, AS THE PLATFORMMAKER, IT IS YOUR JOB TO, LIKE, GROW THINGS. >> I HAVE CRITICIZED ANDROID REPEATEDLY AS A TERRIBLE TABLET OS FOR A WHILE NOW. AND GOOGLE HAS TRIED TO DO THINGS LIKE COMBINE CHROME WITH ANDROID TO MAKE A SORT OF DESKTOP AND TABLET OS.

THEY'VE TRIED AND NOTHING'S REALLY WORKED. I THINK ANDROID ISN'T THE BEST OS FOR, LIKE, PRODUCTIVITY MULTITASKING OR THINGS THAT TABLETS NOWADAYS USE MORE FOR. BUT WITH THIS COLLABORATION WITH MICROSOFT TO BUILD IN PRODUCTIVITY STUFF INTO THE UI FOR THINGS LIKE THE DUO OR THE FOLD, HOPEFULLY WE'LL SEE BETTER ANDROID. >> I THINK IT WASN'T A GOOD SIGN WHEN THEY GAVE UP IN THE NEX FLUS TABLETS. IF GOOGLE ITSELF IS NOT PRODUCING ANDROID TABLETS, WHY THE HELL SHOULD ANYBODY ELSE? >> THEY DID SAY IT WAS NO LONGER MAKING GOOGLE TABLETS.

I THINK YOU ARE RIGHT ON THAT FRONT. I'M STILL CURIOUS WHY PEOPLE MAKE ANDROID TABLETS. BUT PEOPLE STILL BUY THEM TOO. >> THE ONLY SUCCESSFUL ANDROID TABLETS ARE THE AMAZON FIRE DEVICE BECAUSE THEY'RE SUPER CHEAP AND AMAZON CAN KEEP PUMPING ADS THROUGH THEM TO REALLY SUBSIDIZE THAT PRICE. >> AND ALSO THE SAMSUNG TABLETS AS WELL.

SPEAKING OF TABLETS, NOT TO STEP ON BEN'S TOES BUT ALSO E INC. , WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF PEOPLE HYPED ABOUT THE COLOR E INC. >> IT'S NOT COLOR E INC. >> WHAT IS THE END GOAL FOR ALL OF E INC. THINGS? IS IT REALLY JUST HARRY POTTER NEWSPAPERS? >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE END GOAL.

AND I HAVE TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN INC. AND TCL VERSIONS. BUT I KNOW THAT THEY WERE SAYING THAT THEY'RE FOCUSING THIS AROUND LEARNING. SO WHETHER IT'S FOR KIDS OR FOR ADULTS WHO ARE JUST TRYING TO DO LEARNING-RELATED STUFF BUT NOT STRAIN THEIR EYES SO MUCH. THAT'S WHY THERE'S SUCH A FOCUS ON THE EYE PROTECTION.

>> I THINK A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE COVERED A HUGE COLOR E INC. DISPLAY. AND THEY'RE LIKE STORE SIGNAGE, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT. AND IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IT'S HARD FOR STORES TO GO AROUND AND UPDATE ALL THEIR ADS AND FLYERS AND EVERYTHING. SO IF YOU HAD A DIGITAL WAY OF UPDATING AN ENTIRE STORE, THAT COULD BE USEFUL.

>> THE SCREEN BURN IS PRETTY BAD SOMETIMES. SOMEONE IN THE CHAT SAYS IT LOOKS LIKE A TRANSFLECTIVE USE FOR OUTDOOR DISPLAYS. >> ARE WE READY TO TALK ABOUT THE Z FOLD 2? >> I WILL THROW IT TO YOU GUYS. >> YOU KEEP LEAVING THE GREAT COMMENTS IN THE CHAT. AND WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO ALL OF THEM.

THE CRITICISM WE WILL TAKE WHEN FAIR. >> OR NOT AT ALL. OKAY. SO JUST SO YOU KNOW WE ARE GOING ACK IN TIME TO BASICALLY RECORD THE FIRST SEGMENT OF THE SHOW. SO IT'S GOING TO SOUND A LITTLE WEIRD.

BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING WE'VE ALREADY MENTIONED. PUT PHONE ON HEAD. CAN WE MAKE THEM TOUCH? >> UNFOLDING ONE OPENS THE OTHER. ARE WE GOOD TO GO? >> I'M GETTING DISTRACTED. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS ON THE SHOW.

OUR PRE-SHOW IS JUST LIKE 20 MINUTES OF TOTAL GARBAGE. >> COME ON. ALL RIGHT. Z FOLD 2, WE GOOD? >>> ALL RIGHT. LET'S KICK THINGS OFF BY TALKING ABOUT THE PHONE EVERYBODY HAS REALLY BEEN WAITING FOR THIS YEAR, THE SECOND GENERATION OF SAMSUNG'S BIG FOLDING DEVICES IS GALAXY Z FOLD 2.

AND WE HAVE CHRIS VELAZCO, OUR MOBILE EDITOR HERE TO CHAT ABOUT IT. CHRIS, HOW'S IT GOING? >> HEY. THANKS FOR HAVING ME. IT'S BEEN HOURS SINCE I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU PEOPLE. >> GOSH.

I HATE TALKING TO YOU SO MUCH. NO, I'M KIDDING. >> REAL STUFF LIKE REALLY EARLY ON. >> WE'RE JUST ALL TIRED OF EACH OTHER. THIS IS HOW IT GOES.

>> THIS WEEK HAS BEEN INSANE. >> WHAT CAN YOU TALK ABOUT, CHRIS? WHAT IS UP WITH THE Z FOLD 2? >> SO JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR EVERYONE WATCHING AND/OR LISTENING TO THIS, UNLIKE THE SITUATION THAT WE HAD WHEN WE UNBOXED THE SURFACE DUO WHICH COULD NOT TURN ON. >> LISTEN, I AM VERY PROUD OF THAT BECAUSE THAT IS EXACTLY MY BRAND OF JUST -- >> E GOT AN AMAZING SHOT OF YOU SLIDING THAT INTO YOUR POCKET. >> BY THE WAY, SO, YEAH, WE DID NOT HAVE A POD CAST LAST WEEK, BUT WE DID RECORD THIS HANDS-ON YOUTUBE. WE CAN'T TURN IT ON, BUT GO CHECK IT OUT.

GALAXY Z FOLD 2, THOUGH, WHAT'S GOING ON? >> THIS IS THE SECOND GENERATION OF THE FOLD. I'VE BEEN USING THIS SINCE WE UNBOXED IT I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MANY DAYS AGO BECAUSE TIME HAS NO MEANING ANYMORE. BUT JUST LIKE IN TERMS OF HARDWARE, LITERALLY EVERY ISSUE THAT I HAD WITH THE ORIGINAL GALAXY FOLD HAS BEEN MORE OR LESS FIXED HERE. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE VERY MUCH MATTERS OF TASTE THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT. THERE'S THIS RIDGED BRUSH PARTI PATTERN THAT KIND OF MAKE WEIRD GRINDY SOUNDS.

GENERALLY, I LOVE THIS PHONE. I'M ALSO REALLY QUICKLY REMINDED OF THE FACT THAT THERE IS A REASON I DIDN'T BUY THE FIRST ONE. >> YES. WELL, BECAUSE YOU'RE A SANE HUMAN BEING. EVEN THOUGH YOU MAKE INSANE GADGET PURCHASES SOMETIMES, CHRIS, EVEN YOU DID NOT BUY THAT.

>> HE USED TO. THAT'S YOUR BRAND. >> WHAT'S REALLY BEEN INTERESTING FOR ME AS A PERSON LIVING THROUGH COVID. THIS MIGHT BE A THING SPECIFIC TO US. BUT I DON'T THINK IT IS.

BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING SO MUCH OF OUR TIME AT HOME, WE'RE ALWAYS WITHIN ARM'S REACH OF LIKE A LAPTOP OR A DESKTOP OR A TV. THE NEED FOR A GIGANTIC SCREEN WITH YOU ALL OF THE TIME IS FOR ME AT LEAST A FRACTION OF WHAT IT USED TO BE. SO, IMMEDIATELY, LIKE, THIS THING IS AN ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL DEVICE. IT IS A FEAT OF ENGINEERING FOR SURE. AND IT'S ONE THAT I PERSONALLY CAN'T IMAGINE NEEDING FOR A GOOD COUPLE YEARS AT LEAST NOW.

>> YEP. EVERYONE WAS SUPER HYPE ABOUT THIS. I STILL DON'T NEED A TABLET JUST YET. I HAVE BEEN SPENDING SOME TIME WITH A DUO. AND I CAN'T TALK MUCH ABOUT MY IMPRESSIONS ABOUT IT.

BUT I AM STRUGGLING TO FIND THE SITUATION WHERE LIKE A PHONE CAN'T DO WHAT I NEED IT TO DO AND I NEED LIKE A BIGGER INTERFACE. BUT WE'LL SEE, I DON'T KNOW. THE Z FOLD 2 ALSO HAS A SIMILAR PROPOSITION. >> THE ONE THING I USE THE FOLD, AND I THOUGHT I WOULD BE USING THE Z FOLD 2 FOR IS I TAKE A SUBWAY TO THE OFFICE, AND DEVINDRA CAN ATTEST TO THIS. IT'S A GOOD 30 MINUTES ON THAT SUBWAY.

>> WE USED TO LIVE IN THE SAME NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT IS A FAST SUBWAY RIDE COMPARED TO WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN NEW YORK HAVE TO GO THROUGH. >> SO, YEAH, 30 MINUTES, DEFINITELY NOT THE WORST BUT ALSO MAYBE NOT THE BEST. I USED TO BE ABLE TO COUNT ON JUST GOING IN, IN THE MORNING AND CRACKING OPEN A BOOK AND READING SOMETHING ON A FULL-SIZED SCREEN. AND THEN I CAN JUST SORT OF CLOSE IT UP WHEN I GOT TO MY STOP AND THROW IT IN MY POCKET.

THAT BY FAR WAS MY FAVORITE THING TO DO WITH THE FOLD. LIKE THE METAPHOR WORKED OF FOLDING YOUR BOOK, CLOSING YOUR BOOK AND FOLDING THE FOLD. NOW I DON'T TAKE THE SUBWAY ANYMORE. IT'S BEEN REALLY WEIRD. LIKE, I'VE BEEN HAVING THE MOST FUN USING THIS BIG SORT OF EXTERNAL DISPLAY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE BIG KNOCK AGAINST THE ORIGINAL GALAXY FOLD WAS THAT YOU GOT A SCREEN THAT WAS MAYBE TWO-THIRDS THE SIZE OF THIS THING WEDGED IN THE MIDDLE.

IT LOOKED RIDICULOUS. YOU COULD USE IT TO FRAME SELFIES OR SOMETHING OR LIKE REALLY QUICKLY RESPOND TO A TEXT IF YOU HATED YOURSELF. BUT THIS BY ITSELF IS PERFECTLY USEABLE. >> IT'S ANOTHER PHONE ON TOP OF YOUR FOLDING PHONE. >> I WOULD BUY THIS PHONE.

>> I THINK IT'S CALLED A GALAXY S 20. COME ON. >> OR LIKE THE ESSENTIAL GEM BEFORE ESSENTIAL -- I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE HEARD THIS TOO. BUT AT LEAST IN CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH DEVICEMAKERS, THEY ARE STARTING TO SEE A PRETTY PRONOUNCED SHIFT IN WHAT PEOPLE WANT FOR THEIR DEVICES. FOR SOME COMPANIES THEY WANT BIGGER SCREENS THAT ARE MORE AVAILABLE TO THEM.

AND FOR OTHERS IT'S LIKE, WELL, THE NEED FOR AN OMNIPRESENT BIG SCREEN IS LESS FOR OUR USERS. SO WE'RE MOVING THE DIRECTION WHERE YOU GET THIS SORT OF SMALLER SCREEN ALL OF THE TIME. I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO SEE A REALLY INTERESTING BI OR TRIFURCATION. AND THIS IS LIKE THE MOST MAXIMAL PHONE DESIGN. IT'S THE MOST EXTRA PHONE.

I WAS GOING TO SAY IT'S THE CHERLYNN PHONE. >> I HESITATED. >> YEAH. BEFORE WE KEEP GOING ON DOWN THIS VERY DANGEROUS SLIPPERY SLOPE, LET'S, FOR OUR LISTENERS, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT THIS DEVICE THIS WEEK. LET'S TAKE A STEP AND EXPLAIN KIND OF WHAT THE PRICE POINT FOR THIS IS AND ALSO WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT YOU CAN EXPECT.

>> I'M ASSUMING YOU ASKED ABOUT THE SPECS AND PRICE. >> THIS IS A $2,000 SMARTPHONE, WHICH ADMITTEDLY SOUNDS TERRIBLE. I THINK -- SO THE ORIGINAL GALAXY FOLD WENT ON SALE FOR $1,980. IT WAS BASICALLY A $2,000 PHONE. WE TALKED A BIT WITH BEN ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY, JUST CROSSING THE MENTAL THRESHOLD FROM A DEVICE COSTING $1,000 TO $2,000.

I VERY MUCH DO NOT LIKE THAT. WE'LL GET TO THE PHONE ITSELF IN JUST A SECOND. BUT I DO HAVE TO POINT OUT BECAUSE OUR LIVE STREAM AUDIENCE WITH OUR UNBOXING THING WAS VERY SORT OF ADAMANT ABOUT IT. BACK WHEN YOU BOUGHT A $1,980 THING, YOU AT LEAST GOT A BUNCH OF STUFF. YOU WERE VERY CLEARLY WELL HEALED BETA TESTER.

BUT AT LEAST YOU GOT GALAXY BUDS, YOU GOT A CASE, YOU GOT LIKE A DECENT ASSORTMENT OF STUFF THAT YOU CAN START USING WITH THE PHONE RIGHT OFF THE BAT. YOU GET NONE OF THAT HERE. YOU DON'T GET HEADPHONES OF ANY KIND. YOU GET A SIM INJECTION TOOL AND A COUPLE PIECES OF PAPER SAYING DON'T DRINK COFFEE NEAR THE PHONE. >> IS IT METAL OR PLASTIC? >> IT IS METAL.

>> OH, MAN! >> I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN A PLASTIC -- NO THANKS. BUT, YEAH. SO ASIDE FROM THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT A FULLY FLAGSHIP DEVICE. IT'S GOT A TRIO OF 12 MEGAPIXEL CAMERAS AROUND THE BACK. I BELIEVE FOR MAYBE THE FIRST TIME SAMSUNG ISN'T DOING ANY KIND OF DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN THE MODEL IN THE U.

S. AND ELSEWHERE. >> I'M SURE THEY'RE JUST LIKE WE'RE TIRED, CAN YOU GUYS PICK ONE CHIP? WE'RE TIRED. >> AND ALSO I DON'T LIKE BEING HATED BY PEOPLE. BECAUSE THAT'S THE THING ABOUT THE XANOS CHIP.

>> THERE TENDS TO BE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PERFORMANCE DIFFERENCE. PEOPLE JUST DON'T LIKE SAMSUNG'S CHIPS. YOU DO KIND OF GET THAT NO COMPROMISED EXPERIENCE NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE. PEOPLE ALSO TOLD US THAT THE HEADPHONES MAY NOT APPARENTLY COME IN THE BOX, BUT YOU CAN REQUEST IT FROM SAMSUNG AND THEY'LL GIVE IT TO YOU. >> YOU GET THE CRAPPY WIRED ONES OR DO YOU GET ACTUALLY BUDS? >> YOU DON'T GET LIKE ACTUAL WIRELESS BUDS.

THEY ARE WIRED ONES, I BELIEVE. THE OTHER ONE I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS THAT I NEED TO EAT SOME REAL HUMBLE PIE HERE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN GIVING YOU ALL THE WRONG CRIES FOR THE ORIGINAL GALAXY FOLD FOR MONTHS. I HAVE KEPT SAYING FOR SO LONG. BECAUSE DO YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PRICE OF THE X. AND LENOVO HAS A FOLDABLE LAPTOP TABLET THING THAT WAS NORTH OF 2,500 I THINK.

AGAIN, NOT ENTIRELY SURE BECAUSE MY BRAIN IS MUSH. >> I BLAME CHERLYNN ENTIRELY FOR THIS. YELL AT HER. >> I WILL NEED TO EAT STUFF. JUST, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT MISTAKE.

THE ORIGINAL FOLD WAS $1,980. >> I HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT -- I ASSUME YOU GO OUTSIDE OCCASIONALLY. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT HAVING A $2,000 PHONE? THE MORE EXPENSIVE MY PHONES ARE, THE MORE ANXIETY I HAVE ABOUT DROPPING IT, LOSING IT, HAVING IT STOLEN, OPENING IT IN PUBLIC ANYTHING, REALLY. >> WELL, FOR ME AND ESPECIALLY FOR ME BECAUSE I REVIEW LIKE A LOT OF EXPENSIVE PHONES.

FOR THE REVIEW PERIOD, LIKE, I DO OCCASIONALLY DROP IT, NOT BECAUSE I MEAN TO BUT JUST BECAUSE I'M A TOTAL KLUTZ AS A HUMAN BEING. BUT IN GENERAL I TDO MY BEST TO BABY THESE THINGS. I REALLY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PAY FOR SOMETHING THAT I DON'T EVEN GET TO KEEP. ONCE I SORT OF CROSS THE THRESHOLD, IF I BUY A PHONE, FOR INSTANCE. I USE iPHONES FAIRLY FREQUENTLY AND I'VE BEEN USING AN iPHONE 11 PRO MAX.

I'M VERY CAREFUL FOR, LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR. THEN AFTER THAT IT'S LIKE WHATEVER HAPPENS TO THIS THING HAPPENS. >> BECAUSE YOU SECRETLY JUST WANT TO UPGRADE. >> WALKING AROUND WITH A DEVICE LIKE THIS WHICH IS JUST SO WELL BUILT. IT'S A CONSTANT REMINDER PHYSICALLY OF JUST HOW PREMIUM THIS THING IS.

THIS HAS COME UP ON A COUPLE OF THE LIVE THINGS WE'VE DONE SO FAR. I GENERALLY WEAR REALLY TIGHT JEANS. WHICH FREQUENTLY MEANS THAT THE ONLY WAY TO PUT A PHONE LIKE THIS IS IN MY BACK POCKET. SO IN THE FEW TIMES THAT I HAVE GONE OUT WITH THIS IN MY BACK POCKET, I DO FEEL LIKE THE WORLD'S WORST PERSON. >> I TELL PEOPLE IN NEW YORK, ESPECIALLY PEOPLE AROUND THE SUBWAYS, LIKE THE BACK POCKET IS LITERALLY THE WORST PLACE FOR YOUR SMARTPHONE BECAUSE I HAVE DEFINITELY SEEN PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THE SUBWAY, CREEP AROUND AND JUST SEE WHO HAS LIKE AN UNCHECKED SMARTPHONE WHERE THEY'RE STANDING BY THE DOOR AND THEY CAN JUST LIKE GRAB THAT PHONE AND KEEP RUNNING.

I UNDERSTAND. IT'S TOUGH IF YOU DON'T HAVE FRONT POCKETS, IT'S TOUGH FOR WOMEN ESPECIALLY. BUT BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR PHONES. >> I WILL JUST SAY IT'S REALLY HARD TO BE V'S FRIEND. >> JUST IN GENERAL.

COME ON. >> I'M NEVER DOING THE PODCAST AGAIN! >> YOU HAVE TO BE CONCERNED FOR YOURSELF. BUT WHEN YOU'RE HANGING OUT, YOU'RE ALSO, LIKE, V, CAN YOU PLEASE NOT SIT ON THAT THING? IT'S HARD TO BE YOUR FRIEND WHEN YOU RANDOMLY RETURN A PHONE WITH A SHATTERED FRONT TO ME. >> I KNOW EXACTLY THE SITUATION YOU'RE THINKING OF. THAT WAS A ME AND MIKE, OUR SOCIAL MEDIA PRODUCER, THAT WAS A JOINT COLLABORATION OF FAILURE.

WE WERE SHOOTING AN ENGADGET TODAY. HE THREW ME A PHONE. BUT THEN I DIDN'T CATCH IT. >> DON'T THROW YOUR PHONES. >> I'M NOT PHYSICALLY WELL COORDINATED.

SORRY. >> IT'S REALLY HARD TO BE YOUR FRIEND. BUT, ANYWAY, BACK TO THE Z FOLD 2, ANY THOUGHTS MORE THAN WHAT WE'VE -- WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY REAL LIVE TIME. >> WHICH IS TOTALLY FINE BY ME BECAUSE THAT THING IS UGLY. THE TOM BRAND EDITION, YOU PAY $3,300.

AND YOU GET A SILVER GALAXY Z FOLD 2 WITH LIKE AN AQUA FRESH RED AND BLUE STRIPE DOWN THE BACK. YOU GET THE GALAXY BUDS LIVE. YOU BASICALLY GET THE PACKAGE YOU WISH YOU WOULD HAVE GOTTEN WITH THE Z FOLD 2 BUT YOU HAVE TO SPEND AN EXTRA AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR IT. THE WALLPAPERS ARE BAD. LIKE, JUST LIKE BUYING A $2,000 PHONE IS INDULGENCE ENOUGH.

LIKE YOU DON'T NEED TO ACTIVELY MAKE IT WORSE TO JUSTIFY YOUR, LIKE, WEIRDO HYPE BEAST FASHION TREND NEEDS. >> I THINK THEY KNOW THE MARKET FOR THIS THOUGH. IT IS BCs. IT IS STARTUP BROS WHO WANT LIKE THE HOT, HOT NEW THING. I WAS THINKING OF LIKE THE LAST SEASON OF SILICON VALLEY WHERE I THINK THE STARTUP BRO, HE HAD THE RED PHONE, WHICH IS LITERALLY THE ONLY PLACE I'VE EVER RECEIVED THE RED PHONES.

BECAUSE GIVE IT TO THE BIG STARTUP BRO BECAUSE ONLY THEY WOULD BUY IT. IT'S FOR THOSE CHARACTERS. >> AND I WANT TO SAY LIKE DOING THE MATH FOR THAT TOM BROWN EDITION, WELL, $2,000, THEN YOU GET THE WATCH 3, WHICH IS 400 -- YEAH, IT STARTS AT $400. SO LET'S SAY YOU GET THE $400 MODEL. THEN YOU HAVE THE BEANS GUYS.150, 130-ISH. >> THEY SHOULD'VE JUST CALLED THEM THE GALAXY BEANS.

>> THE TOTAL PRICE IS LIKE UNDER 2,700, I GUESS, OR 2,600. AND YOU'RE PAYING 3,300 REALLY TO GET THE TOM BROWN DESIGN AND THE CUSTOM ACCESSORY'S WATCH STRAPS AND CASE DESIGN THINGS FOR YOUR BUDS. SO, I THINK THE VALUE THERE IS HARD TO, LIKE, JUSTIFY UNLESS YOU'RE LIKE REALLY HARDCORE TOM BROWN FAN OR LIKE A BC PERSON. >> IT'S ALL FOR PEOPLE, THE PEOPLE TAGGED IN BC HUMBLE BRAGS AT TWITTER ACCOUNT, WHICH IS FANTASTIC. BUT, HEY, SAMSUNG WILL MAKE SOME MONEY.

>> AND, CHERLYNN, TO YOUR POINT, IT'S DIFFICULT TO JUSTIFY THAT VALUE, BUT THAT'S PURELY BECAUSE IT'S MEANT FOR PEOPLE FOR WHOM VALUE IS NOT A CONCEPT THAT THEY HAVE TO GRAPPLE WITH GENERALLY. >> WHAT I'M MORE EXCITED FOR IS THE POTENTIAL OR THE POSSIBILITY OF A BTS VERSION OF ANY OF THESE THINGS. WE'VE SEEN SAMSUNG DO SOME BTS VERSIONS OF, WHAT WAS IT, THE BUDS PLUS? >> I THINK IT WAS THE BUDS. BUT THEY ALSO DEFINITELY DID THE BTS GALAXY S20 PLUS. IN FAIRNESS TO SAMSUNG, I LISTENED TO K-POP, BUT I WOULD BE TOTALLY FINE USING THAT.

>> AND I AM A BUDDING BLINK, WHICH MEANS I AM A FAN OF BLACKPINK, AND I WOULD 100% BUY A BLACKPINK PHONE. >> WE'RE JUST MAKING UP WORDS. WHAT IS HAPPENING? >> TO BE FAIR, SAMSUNG'S NOT THE FIRST ONE OR THIS ISN'T EVEN SAMSUNG'S FIRST ONE. BUT THEY ARE THE FIRST ONE TO TEAM UP WITH AN OUTSIDE DESIGNER TO MAKE A DIFFERENT VARIANT OR MORE EXPENSIVE VARIANT OF ITS PHONE. IN THE PAST WE'VE ALSO HAD HUAWEI.

>> APPLE ERMEZ WATCHBAND THING? >> BUT LIKE YOU COULD ALMOST JUSTIFY ERMEZ. THE APPLE WATCH FOR A WHILE WAS THIS WEIRD VAGUELY ASPIRATIONAL. >> YOU CAN JUSTIFY THE GOLD APPLE WATCH. HOW MUCH DOES THAT COST? >> GOD. WEREN'T THEY LIKE $10,000 OR SOMETHING? >> REALLY SAMSUNG AND EVERYBODY IS CHASING THAT DREAM.

YOU SPENT SOME TIME WITH THE SURFACE DUO, CHERLYNN. WE STILL CANNOT, IN PRIVATE WE CAN TURN IT ON. ON PUBLIC AND VIDEO AND EVERYTHING, WE CANNOT. THIS IS HOW REVIEWS WORK. BUT, CHERLYNN, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT THE FEEL AND THE FOLDING AND ALL THAT STUFF.

DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS COMPARED TO THIS? >> I WANT TO COMPARE -- YEAH. I CAN COMPARE IT. I WANT TO TELL YOU THAT THE DUO'S HARDWARE NOW THAT I'VE SPENT SOME TIME JUST HOLDING IT OPENING AND CLOSING IT, IT FEELS REALLY GOOD. IT REALLY HONESTLY, THE WEIGHTING OF IT IS VERY NICELY BALANCED. I'VE HELD IT A LOT OPEN AND USUALLY MY LEFT HAND WHILE MY RIGHT TYPES ON THE OTHER SCREEN.

AND IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S ABOUT TO FALL OUT OF MY HANDS. THE HINGE IS SUPER STURDY. AND IT'S A LOT THINNER. LIKE THESE SINGLE INDIVIDUAL SCREENS, THE Z FOLD 2 -- SO THAT ALONE I THINK ALREADY MAKES ME FEEL GOOD. I SAW SOME COMMENTS DURING OUR UNBOXING OF Z FOLD 2.

CHRIS ASKED IF HE COULD OPEN OR CLOSE THE Z FOLD 2 WITH ONE HAND. AND HE COULD, AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT THE DUO CAN'T BE OPEN AND SHUT WITH ONE HAND. HONESTLY, THOUGH. >> I DON'T THINK -- >> I FEEL LIKE IT COULD. >> BUT I CAN'T OPEN IT WITH ONE HAND THAT EASILY.

>> I WOULD SAY PEOPLE, ONCE YOU GET YOUR HANDS ON THESE THINGS, THAT MAY NOT BE A THING YOU WANT TO BE DOING, JUST GIVEN THE SIZE. YOU MAY WANT TO BE A LITTLE MORE CAREFUL. >> YEAH. I THINK THAT THE HINGE ALSO FEELS A LOT DIFFERENT. I'M EXPECTING THE Z FOLD -- I HAVEN'T TOUCHED THE Z FOLD 2.

BUT WHAT I KNOW FROM THE Z FOLD 2 BASED ON VIDEOS AND ON THE Z FLIP, I THINK THE HINGE ON THE SURFACE DUO IS ACTUALLY A LOT SMOOTHER. >> I WILL SAY UNRESERVEDLY THE BEST HINGE I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. NOT JUST GADGET BUT ANY PRODUCT. LIKE, THIS IS SOMETHING MICROSOFT HAS BEEN PERFECTING FOR A WHILE. >> IT'S VERY PRETTY TOO.

IT'S ODDLY KIND OF ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE THERE'S THESE TWO SILVER CYLINDER THINGS THAT ARE NEXT TO EACH OTHER. >> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MEET UP SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE AT SOME POINT. >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY -- >> STAY 6 FEET APART AND JUST FOLD AT EACH OTHER. >> NO. HAVEN'T YOU LEARNED? >> WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED? >> SORRY.

>> BUT I DO THINK THAT A MEETUP IS IN THE WORKS FOR ME AND CHRIS VELAZCO SO WE CAN BOTH PLAY WITH THESE THINGS AND THEN TELL YOU ON A LATER SHOW MAYBE ABOUT WHAT WE FELT WHEN I CAN FULLY TALK ABOUT THIS. >> A FOLDING VIDEO. WE'LL HEAR MORE ABOUT THE SURFACE DUO SOON. CAN YOU SAY WHEN WE CAN EXPECT A REVIEW OF THE Z FOLD 2? >> WHAT CAN I SAY ABOUT THAT? SO HERE'S WHAT I'LL SAY. WE CAN BASICALLY PUBLISH OUR REVIEW WHENEVER WE WANT.

BUT THIS IS PROBABLY BY FAR ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PHONES OF THE YEAR. SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT EXTRA WITH THIS ONE. WE GENERALLY, YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY WE'LL TURN A REVIEW AROUND IN A WEEK. THAT'S WITH THE VIDEO AND THE FULL WRITTEN COMPONENT OF THE PHOTOS. WE REALLY WANT TO DO THIS ONE JUSTICE.

I WOULD SAY GIVE US A COUPLE EXTRA DAYS TO MAKE SURE THIS ONE IS AS GOOD AS IT DESERVES TO BE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS. >> YOU DO NOT WANT A RUSHED REVIEW. THAT'S THE THING ESPECIALLY WITH THESE NEW DEVICES. THE SURFACE DUO, BASED ON JUST MY TIME WITH IT, IT'LL TAKE AT LEAST A WEEK TO LEARN HOW TO USE IT AND HOW TO GET USED TO THOSE TYPES OF DEVICES. >> I'M GOING TO REALLY HAMMER HOME THAT POINT.

IN PREFER I'D PREFER IF WE TOOK OUR TIME WITH DEVICES TO BE ABLE TO REALLY GET TO KNOW THEM BETTER BEFORE WE PUT OUR THOUGHTS DOWN ON PAPER AND VIDEO. BUT SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE THE LUXURY OF THAT BECAUSE COMPANIES GIVE SOME SUPER TIGHT TIMELINES SOMETIMES. AND I THINK IN GENERAL I DON'T FEEL LIKE I NEED TO GO COMPETE WITH ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE PUTTING UP THEIR REVIEWS ON DAY ONE OR SOMETHING. MAYBE WE CAN DO IT MORE JUSTICE, LIKE YOU SAID, IF WE SPENT MORE TIME WITH IT. SO THAT'S OUR PHILOSOPHY AT LEAST.

>> ALL GOOD. THANK YOU SO MUCH, V. YOU HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING TO SAY YOU'RE LEAVING THE PODCAST. >> I AM LEAVING NOW. THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

IT'S ALWAYS REALLY FUN AND I'M GOING TO GO PLAY WITH THIS THING AND TRY NOT TO BREAK IT FOR THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS. >> PLEASE DON'T. >> OKAY. GOOD. WE ARE DONE.

SHOW IS OVER NOW. WE DID THINGS OUT OF ORDER. YOU CAN STOP THE RECORDINGS. ACTUALLY, NO, KEEP THE RECORDINGS GOING, IF YOU HAVEN'T STOPPED THEM ALREADY. WE'VE GOT SOME COMMENTS.

PETER IN THE CHAT SAID HE HAD A GENERAL QUESTION ABOUT BUILD QUALITY. HE SAID DOES IT FEEL LIKE IT WOULD LAST, THE Z FOLD? >> IF ONLY BECAUSE THE HINGE HAS JUST SO MUCH MORE ATTENTION TO IT THAN THE ORIGINAL. THAT'S PARTIALLY BECAUSE THEY WANTED PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SORT OF PROP IT UP AND USE IT IN WHAT THEY CALL FLEX MODE. IT HAS THE ABILITY TO STAY OPEN BETWEEN 45 AND PRETTY OBLIQUE ANGLES. IT'S MUCH BETTER BUILT THAN THE ORIGINAL.

IT'S PHYSICALLY BETTER IN EVERY SINGLE WAY. I'VE BEEN SAYING FOR A WHILE NOW THAT WHAT SAMSUNG REALLY NEEDED TO DO WAS THE SOFTWARE. BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT IN THE REVIEW. >> AND THERE WAS ANOTHER COMMENT. I FORGET WHO SAID THAT YOU ARE LESS LIKELY TO GET A BIG PHONE LIKE THIS BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT REALLY GOING PLACES.

THEY ACTUALLY CUT AGAINST THAT AND THEY SAID THAT COVID IS ONE REASON THAT THEY WOULD BE GETTING THE FOLD 2 BECAUSE THEY DON'T WEAR ABOUT CARRYING A BULLWAY PHONE AROUND IN THEIR POCKET BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ON THE PHONE. SO IT'S A GOOD INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN A PHONE AND A LAPTOP. >> WE ALL BRING OUR OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES TO THE DEVICE. I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ADMIT THAT MY CIRCUMSTANCES AND DEVINDRA'S AND CHERLYNN'S ARE DIFFERENT THAN MOST PEOPLE BECAUSE WE HAVE ACCESS TO TONS OF STUFF. I'VE BEEN FINDING MYSELF GRAVITATING TOWARDS THE SMALLER THINGS.

>> I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT DEVICES DURING PANDEMIC AND WHILE YOU'RE TRAPPED AT HOME. BUT THE BASE iPAD IS A FANTASTIC THING. TO ME IT MAKES MORE SENSE HAVING A NORMAL SIZED PHONE AND THEN KEEP THAT iPAD AROUND FOR WHEN YOU'RE SITTING AT THE COUCH OR WHEN YOU WANT TO DIVE INTO SOMETHING BIG, RATHER THAN JUST CARRY AROUND SOMETHING BIG. BUT THAT'S ME. >> ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT HOW TO USE OR HOW YOU'RE INTERACTING WITH THE Z FOLD.

SOMEONE ASKS DO YOU HAVE TO PUSH IT IN THE CENTER WITH YOUR THUMB TO FOLD IT UP? >> TO FOLD IT UP? SO, THAT IS THE WEIRD THING. IF YOU'RE USING BOTH HANDS, IT'S PRETTY EASY TO GRAB BOTH SIDES AND DO IT. BUT WHEN WE WERE DOING THIS SORT OF ONE-HANDED OPENING DEMONSTRATION EARLIER, THAT FEELS REALLY BAD. YOU SORT OF HAVE TO SHIMMY A THUMB INTO THE CRACK BETWEEN THE TWO SIDES. THEN YOU DO HAVE TO PUSH WITH A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF FORCE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PHONE TO OPEN IT.

AND ALL THE WHILE YOUR THUMB NAIL IS DIGGING INTO THE SCREEN PROTECTOR THAT'S COVERING THE ULTRA THIN GLASS. I DON'T REALLY EXPECT THAT THIS WILL DAMAGE THE FOLD LONG TERM. BUT SOMETHING ABOUT THIS ACTION JUST, IT FEELS LIKE IT WOULD HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO DO THAT.. YEAH. THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD THAT QUESTION IS I THINK THEY MEANT WHEN IT'S OPEN AND DO YOU HAVE TO PRESS THE MIDDLE OF THE SCREEN TO TRIGGER THE HINGE TO START FOLDING? BUT I THINK YOU CAN STILL PUSH THE BOTTOM MIDDLE OF THE PHONE.

>> IF IT'S OPEN AND YOU WANT TO CLOSE IT WITH ONE HAND, THE BEST THING IS TO APPLY A BIT OF PRESSURE AND LET YOUR OTHER THI FINGERS DO THE WORK. I WOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THAT SCENARIO AS MUCH AS THE ONE THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. >> OH, AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER QUESTION THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE BETTER FOR JUST THIS BIG Q&A TIME. SO DIRK WANTED TO KNOW WHAT PHONE DO EACH OF YOU USE WHEN YOU'RE NOT DOING THE VIEWS? LIKE, WHAT DO YOU JUST USE -- I THINK YOU'VE CALLED IT A DAILY DRIVER IN THE PAST. >> MY MAIN DRIVER CURRENTLY IS THE PIXEL 4A.

I HONESTLY AM SURPRISED. BUT I AM ALSO TESTING SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS ON SEVERAL DIFFERENT PHONES. SO MAYBE I'M NOT USING IT THAT HARD. >> I'M USING THE iPHONE 11 PRO, NOT THE PRO MAX BECAUSE THE PRO MAX IS WAY TOO BIG, WAY TOO HEAVY. BUT THE PRO IS THE PERFECT SIZE FOR ME RIGHT NOW.

LOOKING FORWARD TO WHATEVER NEW STUFF COMES DOWN THE LINE THIS YEAR. >> I WAS USING THE 11 PRO MAX. BUT IT HONESTLY JUST LIKE HURTS MY WRIST. >> IT'S SO HEAVY! >> IT'S NOT PLEASANT TO USE ANYMORE. I'VE GONE FULLY IN ON THE iPHONE SE.

>> WOW. >> I REALLY DO LIKE THE PIXEL 4A A LOT. BUT THEY'RE ROUGHLY THE SAME PRICE. AND THE iPHONE SE GETS YOU LITERALLY A FLAGSHIP CALIBER CHIP SET. >> YOU'RE ALSO OUR APPLE GUY.

IT MAKES SENSE THAT YOUR DAILY DRIVER IS AN APPLE DEVICE. >> I AM THE GUY WHO HAS TO DEAL WITH APPLE ALL THE TIME. I'M NOT STRICTLY THE APPLE GUY. >> WHAT I MEANT WAS THAT YOU COVER iPHONES MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE. YOU'RE THE ONLY PERSON THAT REALLY COVERS iPHONES SO YOU REALLY HAVE TO KNOW THAT ECOSYSTEM VERY WELL AND IT MAKES SENSE FOR YOU TO USE APPLE.

>> I'M SURPRISED WITH THE EMBEZZLES, ESPECIALLY AFTER GOING WITH ALL THESE BEZEL-FREE DEVICES. >> I GO OUT, LIKE, AT NIGHT UNDER COVER OF DARKNESS TO EXERCISE AND GET GROCERIES AND STUFF. I LIKE HAVING A FINGERPRINT SENSOR THERE. THAT TO ME IS MORE VALUABLE THAN HAVING A COUPLE EXTRA MILLIMETERS OF SCREEN REAL ESTATE. I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY MASK ON.

IT'S WHERE I NEED TO BE. >> WE'RE BOTH MEANING THE MID-RANGE EAR PHONES THESE DAYS. >> THERE'S ONE MORE QUESTION ABOUT THESE MULTISCREEN PHONES. OLIVER ASKED CAN YOU COMPARE THE SURFACE PRO DUO TO THE GALAXY Z FOLD 2 TO THE FX PRO 1 SLIDER? THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HEARING OF THIS. >> NO.

>> HOLD ON. >> NO! >> I SHOULDN'T ROLL AWAY TO MY SIDE? >> AND THEN THEY ALSO MENTIONED THE PRIV 2 FOR BLACKBERRY. >> THE BLACKBERRY, WE'RE TALKING KEYBOARD PHONES NOW, I GUESS. OR, NO, THE PRIV WAS THE ALL SCREEN. THE BLACKBERRY PRIV 2, WAS THAT THE -- >> THE PRIV WAS THE SLIDER.

THEN WE GOT THE KEY 1 AND THE KEY 2, WHICH WERE REALLY, REALLY PRETTY. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? >> JUST COMPARE THE WINDOWS DUO TO THE GALAXY Z FOLD 2 TO THE -- NOT PRIV, TO THE FX PRO 1 SLIDER. >> CHERLYNN, DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE OFF WITH -- >> YOU CAN'T REALLY COMPARE THEM BECAUSE ONE'S A KEYBOARD SLIDING PHONE AND ONE'S A DUAL SCREEN HINGE DEVICE. IT'S HARD TO COMPARE. >> WAS IT THE TRIPLE SLIDER? THE HELIOS.

DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? >> WHICH ONE'S THE HELIOS? >> WE'VE GOT ONE OF THOSE AT THE OFFICE. UNFORTUNATELY I NEVER GRABBED IT. THE ONE YOU SLIDE UP FOR THE KEY PAD. >> OCEAN. THAT WAS GOOD STUFF.

I LOVE THAT. >> THAT WAS LIKE A 2007 PHONE. >> IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE THE iPHONE CAME. IT WAS 3G WHEN FIRST GEN WAS NOT. >> THE FX PRO 1 SLIDER, DO YOU REMEMBER THE SPECS ABOUT IT SO AT LEAST I CAN MAKE SOME SORT OF COMPARISON THERE? >> IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AND IT'S BEEN A WHILE, I BELIEVE IT WAS A SNAP DRAGON 845.

THIS IS A LONDON-BASED STARTUP. IT WAS DESIGNED BY A PERSON WHO GREW UP LOVING LIKE THE NOKIA eSERIES. >> I LOVE THOSE BY THE WAY. >> I DON'T THINK WE EVER REALLY REVIEWED THIS THING BECAUSE WE GOT REALLY BUSY. >> IT SHOWED UP AT MWC 2019.

WE COVERED IT THERE WITH A HANDS-ON. I LOVE THOSE TYPES OF KEYBOARDS. >> I WILL SAY PHYSICALLY, THE ONE SORT OF CONCERN I ALWAYS HAD ABOUT THE FX TECH WAS, LIKE, YES, THE SLIDEOUT MECHANISM DOES WORK REALLY WELL. >> CAN YOU DO THAT AGAIN BY THE MICROPHONE? >> THIS IS GOING TO PROVE MY POINT REALLY NICELY. >> THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

>> I KEPT MOVING WITH A LOT OF VELOCITY. I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED IF THESE LITTLE PLASTIC BITS -- OR THEY'RE METAL ACTUALLY. BUT ONE OF THESE SCREWS HOLDING UP THE DISPLAY JUST GAVE OUT AFTER A WHILE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WELL YOU CAN SEE IT, BUT THE RIBBON CABLE FOR THE DISPLAY IS JUST HANGING IN THERE. I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED USING THIS ONE.

>> OH, YEAH, LOOK AT THAT. >> OH, MAN. LET ME JUST SAY I DO MISS THE THUNK OF A GOOD SLIDER. >> THIS THING DOES CLOSE THE BEST OUT OF ALL OF THE DEVICES I TESTED. >> NOW THAT I'VE SEEN A BIT MORE ABOUT THE WAY THEY'RE POSITIONING IT, I GET THE COMPARISON TO THE DUO A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

YOU SLIDE OUT THE SCREEN, THERE'S KEYBOARD BELOW, AND THEN YOU CAN RUN LIKE MULTIPLE APPS WHEN YOU HAVE THAT THING ON LANDSCAPE. AND I GUESS THE DUO SORT OF IS SUPPOSED TO DO THAT IF YOU HOLD IT IN LANDSCAPE AND THE BOTTOM HALF OF THE SCREEN IS A TOUCH BOARD AND APPS ON THE TOP. I MEAN, I JUST THINK THE DUO MIGHT BE A BIT MORE VERSATILE BECAUSE THAT BOTTOM HALF OF THE SCREEN CAN DO LITERALLY WHATEVER YOU WANT. WHEREAS FOR THE FS TECH, THE BOTTOM PART IS ONLY A KEYBOARD. >> I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER TESTED AN FX TECH WITH FINAL SOFTWARE.

>> I DO THINK MULTITASKING ON NORMAL SMARTPHONES IS GETTING BETTER. BECAUSE I'M RUNNING THE IOS 14 DATA. AND I HAD TO KEEP IT TO FULL SCREEN TO PLAY. I SWIPED UP. IT MOVED UP INTO A LITTLE WINDOW IN THE CORNER OF MY PHONE AND I COULD KEEP DOING OTHER STUFF.

THAT WAS EARTH SHATTERING. THAT WAS THE BEST. >> SO THEY'RE JOKING IN THE CHAT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN EMBARGO ON WHEN THE DUO EMBARGO LIFTS, LIKE A DOUBLE EMBARGO. >> I THINK EVERYBODY IS AWARE THAT REVIEWERS WHO HAVE -- >> THIS IS WHY. >> AGREEMENTS WITH MICROSOFT CAN'T REALLY -- BUT IT'S TRUE THAT I'VE SEEN A LOT OF TWEETS ABOUT THIS WHERE, YEAH, YOU CAN ALREADY PLAY WITH IT IN THE STORE AND TALK ABOUT THE SOFTWARE IF YOU PLAYED WITH IT IN THE STORE IF YOU'RE A REGULAR PERSON/CONSUMER.

>> IF YOU WANT TO BRAVE COVID AND GO TO A MICROSOFT STORE, MORE POWER TO YOU. >> BEST BUYS HAVE THEM. >> AND WHETHER THERE IS AN EMBARGO ABOUT WHEN THE EMBARGO LIFTS AND IF THERE'S AN EMBARGO TALKING ABOUT THE EMBARGO LIFTING, THAT'S A GOOD POINT, I DON'T KNOW. >> I CAN'T REMEMBER THE LAST TIME WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO JUST DISCUSS EMBARGOES AS A THING OUT LOUD IN FRONT OF PEOPLE. RIGHT? LIKE THAT ALWAYS FELT TO ME LIKE THE MOST INSIDE OF INSIDE BASEBALL.

>> I THINK NOW WE'VE BEEN CALLED OUT ABOUT IT SO MUCH THAT, LIKE, IT'S A KNOWN THING. LIKE ESPECIALLY FOR PEOPLE WHO, LIKE, WATCH TECH REVIEWS A LOT. THEY'RE LIKE, OH, I GUESS THE EMBARGO LIFTED. >> WE KNOW HOW IT WORKS. WHEN I WAS A KID FOLLOWING FRICKEN GAMING WEBSITES, I KNEW WHEN ALL THE REVIEWS WERE OUT.

LIKE, COME ON. THIS IS NOT SOME BLACK MAGIC HERE. I WANT TO SAY, FOLKS, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. WE CAN TAKE SOME MORE QUESTIONS. BUT I DO ALSO WANT TO SHOUT OUT THAT OUR NEXT EPISODE OF OUR UPSCALED SHOW, WHICH IS ALL ABOUT NVIDIA'S RTX 3000 CARDS IS GOING TO BE GOING LIVE AS SOON AS WE END THIS STREAM.

SO BE SURE TO REFRESH THE ENGADGET YOUTUBE CHANNEL, KEEP AN EYE OUT FOR THAT. CHRIS IS VERY EXCITED. LIKE, HE IS IN PROBABLY FULL ON MODE TALKING ABOUT THESE CARDS. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WATCHING THAT VIDEO. >> I'M SEEING ONE THING IN THE CHAT ABOUT THE COSMO COMMUNICATOR, HOW THAT WOULD COMPARE TO ALL OF THESE.

>> YOU ALL ARE JUST THROWING OUT NAMES TO BE AS NICHE AS POSSIBLE. >> THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON AT ENGADGET WHO COULD POSSIBLY HAVE A COSMO COMMUNICATOR AND THAT'S JAMES. >> THEY DESIGNED TO BE LIKE THE SUCCESSOR TO LIKE THOSE SC SCION PDAs BACK IN THE '90s WHICH SORT OF LOOKED LIKE NOKIA COMMUNICATORS. >> I DO HAVE TO SAY THE GOOD THUNK FROM THIS FX SLIDE KIND OF REMINDS ME OF WHAT THEY DID FOR THE MATRIX CELL PHONES. >> THAT'S WHERE IT STARTED.

LIKE THE THUNK ON THAT WAS THAT. >> LIKE, WHAT MODEL OF PHONE WAS THAT? I WAS PRETTY SURE THEY DID A VERY SMALL RUN OF THOSE. >> WHICH MATRIX PHONE THOUGH? >> THE FIRST ONE. >> LIKE THE SLIDER. >> THE ORIGINAL ONE, LIKE THE NOKIA BANANA PHONE.

BUT THEN FOR THE SECOND ONE, SAMSUNG DID LIKE A REALLY UGLY MATRIX SPECIFIC PHONE THAT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS BUILT LIKE A BRICK. I KNOW WAY TOO MUCH ABOUT IT. >> WE COULD JUST SIT HERE AND TALK ALL DAY. I'M GOING TO WIND THIS DOWN TO LET THESE PEOPLE GO HOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US ON THIS LIVE STREAM.

IF YOU ENJOY THIS LIVE STREAM, IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHEN WE'RE GETTING NEW VIDEOS, BE SURE TO HIT THAT LITTLE BELL TO GET OUR NOTIFICATION WHEN OUR OTHER YOUTUBE STUFF GOES LIVE. WHEN ANYTHING HAPPENS ON YOUTUBE, HIT THAT BELL, FOLLOW US, PLEASE. >> FOR PEOPLE WHO TEND TO ASK -- SOMETIMES PEOPLE ASK ME WHEN IS THIS POD CAST GOING TO BE AVAILABLE. IT'S AVAILABLE FRIDAY MORNING. FRIDAY MORNINGS ARE WHEN WE DROP NEW EPISODES OF THE ENGADGET PODCAST.

>> SUBSCRIBE. IF YOU'RE ENJOYING US, DO NOT JUST LISTEN TO INDIVIDUAL EPISODES. SUBSCRIBE BECAUSE THAT TELLS US PEOPLE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGING WITH THE SHOW AND IT HELPS US KEEP THE SHOW AROUND. >> SO LET'S SHOUT OUT TO THE VIDEO TEAM. THIS STREAM COMES TO YOU VIA OUR VIDEO TEAM LED BY KYLE, GREG CARAMEL AND JULIO.

BUT IT IS POWERED BY EVERYONE IN THE CHAT. IF YOU STUCK AROUND THIS LONG, RATE THE SHOW ON ITUNES. WE ALL LIVE IN A WORLD OF ALGORITHMS AND IT HELPS MORE THAN YOU THINK. SO WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. >> THANK YOU.

>> BYE, EVERYONE.

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